Why such massive nets?

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A serious question, aimed mostly at carp anglers as it seems to be their playground ........

Why do you seem to need such massive landing nets? Reason I ask is that I'm seeing more and more waters available on day tickets where it is MANDATORY that I have a landing net with arms at least seven feet long, despite the fact that I've no interest at all in fishing specifically for carp.

OK - slight exaggeration - but I'm seeing nets with arms up to four feet long being specified, (and a large, carp-friendly unhooking mat) without which you're not allowed access to the fishery.

I'm not talking about dedicated carp lakes here where fish might exceptionally run in excess of 40 lbs or so - mixed fisheries where the bigger carp caught in recent years have occasionally exceeded 20lbs.

This isn't an argument about unhooking mats, or the logistics of just sitting a big, redundent net and carp-cradle beside me (assuming I've even got one that size) 'just in case' whilst I fish happily for everything else in there - I'm just honestly curious about why carp nets apparently have to be so bloody humungous?
Are carpers over-compensating for something else, or is there a genuine need for nets of this size (which I would have thought were massively unwieldy, particularly if there was any weed about or random snags) ... I mean, come on ... you could fit ME into a net with 4 foot arms, and I'm way bigger than any carp you'll ever catch :)
 

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Standard big carp net was always 42 inch arms going back to the 1970s when they first became available.
Most people targeting carp could get away with a 36 inch net or often a 24 inch net but individual fishery owners or the people who advise them tend to introduce rules they think will give their fish more protection and its their pond so if you want to fish there you need to comply with their rules.
 

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because we carp anglers catch big carp like the 57lb+ one in the pic on the left!

if you dont like the rules simply fish a different venue, the owners are allowed to make/specify/enforce any rules for their fishery, its their fishery after all! then when you buy/rent your own fishery then you can have your own rules as well.
 

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Small nets contort the fish into un natural shapes when lifted out.. a 42" net enables the arms of the net to be removed from the Y piece and rolled down to keep the fish straight as its lifted onto a cradle...
 

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Part of the problem is the fishery owners.

Some so called anglers are actually thoughtless morons- so the natural reaction as a fishery owner is to impose rules to deal with the lowest common denominator. I say that as a fishery owner (and specialist angler) myself.

Big carp are a valuable commodity, so if an angler damages/accidentally kills a big fish it might cost you the water owner several thousand pounds.

However rules stipulating big (36” plus) landing nets on waters that don’t hold really big fish are overkill in my eyes. I have caught lots of big carp when tench fishing with a 32” net and had no issues. I routinely carp fish with a 36” net.

Unhooking mats are a different ballgame. They should be mandatory and of a decent quality and size (many are seriously lacking).

On an increasing number of waters anglers have to use nets and mats provided by the fishery - which also helps with disease control. However experience shows that without close control said nets/mats get nicked !
 

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I've never seen greater than 42" nets specified unless it's an exceptional carp water, or there are big pike or catfish present. The reality is that the waters where such minimum net sizes exist don't really expect, or want, anyone other than those chasing big fish on their waters. There's the odd exception where they unthinkingly apply minimum net sizes regardless. When this happens, it's just a lowest common denominator thing. If you wish to visit such a water, and stay the right side of the rules, buy the cheapest big net you can find. As long as you set it up when you fish, there's not usually much stopping you using a more sensibly sized net for the smaller species.
 

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Landing and unhooking any carp at night can be a job when on your own.
The technique with a big net is once the fish is over it, gently lift whilst giving fish slack - it will dive downwards into big net.
During the day I do prefer a big super specialist net rather than a big deep net.
 

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Small nets contort the fish into un natural shapes when lifted out.. a 42" net enables the arms of the net to be removed from the Y piece and rolled down to keep the fish straight as its lifted onto a cradle...
Thats a reasonable enough response mate - never thought about it from that perspective. My original question had nowt to do with complaining about rules etc - I just could not figure out why such (apparently) oversized nets were always specified, particularly when the biggest fish in there struggle to reach 20lbs, which will easily and safely go into a much smaller net. TBH, complying with the rules was never a problem - I bought a big, cheap net more than a decade ago for this specific purpose - I dont think its ever actaully been wet :D
I'm never targeting big carp, though will happily fish for big fish, pike in particular, and would normally have an appropriate net anyway - and I figure that if a yard-long pike will go in there safely, it'll deal with 'accidental' captures of anything else I'm likely to stumble across, including the occasional carp over 20lbs :D
 

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Small nets contort the fish into un natural shapes when lifted out.. a 42" net enables the arms of the net to be removed from the Y piece and rolled down to keep the fish straight as its lifted onto a cradle...
That makes sense to me. What baffles me is why you need a 42 inch net on a mixed water where the maximum size of fish is 10lb.
 

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On fisheries like that, I tend to set 2 nets up, a normal landing net and a Carp net. just in case the bailiff has a bee in his/her bonnet.
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Wot he said
 

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Just how common is the necessity of 42" nets on small double waters?
I suspect in reality that it's one of the usual urban legends that has grown due to some having "a thing" about Carp anglers.
 

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On fisheries like that, I tend to set 2 nets up, a normal landing net and a Carp net. just in case the bailiff has a bee in his/her bonnet.
Why two? I manage with one 18 inch net. Plenty big enough for the odd ten pound fish.
 

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Just how common is the necessity of 42" nets on small double waters?
I suspect in reality that it's one of the usual urban legends that has grown due to some having "a thing" about Carp anglers.
It's more common than you think. Our club lakes aren't acres of open water but a Carp net is a must if targeting the Carp, as is an unhooking mat. The Carp in our lakes got to just above the 30lb mark and a 'normal' net is a big no-no for these fish whether you're targeting them or not. Carp of 20lb plus get caught when you're not even trying for them so you must have the net to land them in a safe manor. As has been mentioned, a smaller net will cause the fish some discomfort.
 

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That's just your lakes Pete and with fish to 30lb so is that a reflection of it being "common" ?
We have a UK wide range of anglers on here and a lot will fish Commies.
How many of those waters require that you use a 42" net for lower double finure Carp?
 

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I've always thought they'd make a decent keepnet 😅

On a serious note whilst I think the 42 inch jobs are a bit overkill where there aren't 30lb plus fish I do think you should have a fairly big net (say 30 inch) if you are a targeting carp of realistically around 20lb plus just to stop them being folded up like has been said . Does strike me as rather silly though to make a guy fishing with 2lb hook lengths have one though (provided they've got a decent sized net) as with all the will in the world you aren't landing many 20s on that, or tbh even hooking many as they tend to be quite wise on such waters.

Taking two nets obviously solves the problem but I can see why people don't want to buy a massive net that they'll never use. We have one between 5 of us in the family for that reason which has never seen the water. I tend to take a roughly 14 or 18 inch fairly shallow net for what I'm fishing for then a roughly 25 inch deep net for decent sized fluked carp and pike. I'll occasionally go with just the 18 incher for some venues but I'd never just take the 14 incher as that would be a bit irresponsible.
 

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That's just your lakes Pete and with fish to 30lb so is that a reflection of it being "common" ?
We have a UK wide range of anglers on here and a lot will fish Commies.
How many of those waters require that you use a 42" net for lower double finure Carp?
I understand your point and I know there's a wide range out there. But I have been to a few fisheries only to discover that a net that size was a requirement but not mentioned at all on the websites. That's why I always take 2 landing nets, I don't want to be caught out again by a net rule that's not mentioned till you get there.

Would you like to drive to a well known or fantastic looking fishery, just to be turned away by a net rule?
 

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On fisheries like that, I tend to set 2 nets up, a normal landing net and a Carp net. just in case the bailiff has a bee in his/her bonnet.
Page 1734, paragraph 39, sub paragraph 3, 4th line down ? Is that the one Peter ? 🤣🤣
 

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Just how common is the necessity of 42" nets on small double waters?
I suspect in reality that it's one of the usual urban legends that has grown due to some having "a thing" about Carp anglers.
Don't have a problem with carp as a species - I think I first stocked carp into a lake in the very late in the '70's, and most recently at the back-end of last year.........
Not an urban legend at all mate - the five nearest clubs to me have all instigated this rule (it has to be said, following an influx of 'carp' anglers to each of them).
All of them are mixed fisheries with few carp above about 10lbs present. Lake records show that none of these waters has EVER done a '30', 2 have never done a '20' (nor is there any evidence in there of the prescence of fish that size, in 'mixed' fisheries of less than 2 acres in size), and of the remaining 3, a 20lbs+ fish MAY turn up at the lake once or twice per season - but they all stipulate massive nets, big unhooking mats etc, a move in every case introduced at the behest of the carp anglers (who at one club applied a lot of pressure to also try and instiagte a minimum hook size in use, regardless of species being targeted, seriously expecting all anglers to use nothing small than a size 10 hook, even if fishing for roach, rudd, whatever!)
You could be forgiven for believing that the carp fraternity are trying to turn venue conditions (in mixed fisheries!) towards the way they wish to fish, rather than finding a happy middle ground. :D
 
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