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I’m back in work tomorrow. Work sent us all a few videos showing us the new one way system in place for walking in the factory. So new rules about going the loo etc and staggered start times. Luckily I’m on normal hours. I’d forget otherwise, I’ve already forgot the key code for the gate but I can get past it on my bike.
 

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I don’t think the government are expecting little kids to distance it’s just that they are least affected by the virus

That's fine mate BUT, that doesn't stop them carrying it, what happens if the kid carries it, one of his parents decides to go and check on the grandparent(s) and carries the virus to them?

Any child showing symptoms should not be sent into school - that's the parents' responsibility, not that of the teachers to send them home. The parents need to check their children each day before they go to school.

And if a child has come into contact with the virus and shows symptoms then the parents and family need to self isolate for 14 days.

But that's my point Dave, what if the kids have the same parents as those who don't check their own kids hair, look how many parents blame teachers for the attitude and behaviour of their kids these days... it seems a lot of parents now prefer to pass the buck and let the teachers get the blame for the parents failures!

I’m not a person who believes everything the government tells us, far from it. In this instance though they have had a lot of scientific advice and I think the scientists know what they are doing.

Yet there are Epidemiologists, ID specialists, Doctors and Nurses appearing in videos all saying it's a mistake!

Like mick I have never had a flu type illness in my life. Lucky I guess. Until I got something at Xmas time and was ill for weeks. Chest X-rays. Is that normal for flu. ?

I was the same, late November early December last year i was bad, felt like i was breathing through a water filled tube, couldn't smell anything, food tasted really wierd, my temperature was up and down which was giving me dizzy spells, i had a cough that actually started to hurt because i was coughing so much.

I've had the flu, i had it years ago when i was working for the Forestry commision, it hit me that hard i collapsed in the forest, two of the lads had to help me down to the road from the felling area, everything ached, i was exhausted.... and whatever i had last year, it wasn't flu!
 

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Chippy Mick, I agree.
I put it down to self preservation.
I don’t want it.
I don’t want to put myself in a vulnerable situation to catch it.
I certainly don’t want to pass it on to my disabled wife, or any other member of my family.
 

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That's fine mate BUT, that doesn't stop them carrying it, what happens if the kid carries it, one of his parents decides to go and check on the grandparent(s) and carries the virus to them?



But that's my point Dave, what if the kids have the same parents as those who don't check their own kids hair, look how many parents blame teachers for the attitude and behaviour of their kids these days... it seems a lot of parents now prefer to pass the buck and let the teachers get the blame for the parents failures!



Yet there are Epidemiologists, ID specialists, Doctors and Nurses appearing in videos all saying it's a mistake!



I was the same, late November early December last year i was bad, felt like i was breathing through a water filled tube, couldn't smell anything, food tasted really wierd, my temperature was up and down which was giving me dizzy spells, i had a cough that actually started to hurt because i was coughing so much.

I've had the flu, i had it years ago when i was working for the Forestry commision, it hit me that hard i collapsed in the forest, two of the lads had to help me down to the road from the felling area, everything ached, i was exhausted.... and whatever i had last year, it wasn't flu!
Like I have mentioned before. This could be the 2nd wave of what was going about around Xmas time. Might be a mutant version of what loads had and even doctors told me loads had it
 

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Union leader been on and said teachers need the holiday as they been working harder than ever when they been off 🤷‍♂️

...and those on the front line, in the hospitals, the care homes, home carers, etc, etc, haven't?
The need to step up to the mark and stop their whinging on behalf of their members, show some support
 

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that government expert on the TV last night hit the nail on the head

Van Tan, the guy knows what he is talkin about, and what he said didnt seem to go along with the "Led by Science" line the government is now peddeling
 

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But that's my point Dave, what if the kids have the same parents as those who don't check their own kids hair, look how many parents blame teachers for the attitude and behaviour of their kids these days... it seems a lot of parents now prefer to pass the buck and let the teachers get the blame for the parents failures!


You can't educate some people Al, you know that. The same parents who've most likely taken their kids to the coast but protest about sending them to school, the same parent who let their kids roam the streets, complain about a police state when they're bought home, the same parents who've most likely got a stash of bog roll and sanitizer and don't give a **** about others
 

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They may well be Mick, to some degree it's like the Shepard who's dog has lost control of the flock. You can only follow science and plans if everyone sticks to them and as we've seen everywhere, people won't and dont
 

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that government expert on the TV last night hit the nail on the head

Van Tan, the guy knows what he is talkin about, and what he said didnt seem to go along with the "Led by Science" line the government is now peddeling



Just heard on the radio that those 2 million that have been shielded can now go out and meet one other person..wtf

There were plenty of experts on tv last night saying the R number is too close to 1 to be doing the relaxing of the advice that was announced yesterday.
 

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That's what I don't get though, all the media and armchair critics who protested about lockdown, argued about restriction of rights, complained about the guidance, are now the same ones complaining that they've got what they wanted.
 

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Usually when the kids return to school after a break, within about a week they have picked up a cold and passed it onto us...

Returning to school now and keeping safe is going to be very difficult, despite all the measures and efforts schools are making.
 

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That's what I don't get though, all the media and armchair critics who protested about lockdown, argued about restriction of rights, complained about the guidance, are now the same ones complaining that they've got what they wanted.


I certainly was not one of them.

Just watching Andrew Marr show and an expert said Some of the protected such as asthma and people who have survived cancer are not at as much risk as was thought.

So that's changed in half an hour.
 

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Just heard on the radio that those 2 million that have been shielded can now go out and meet one other person..wtf

There were plenty of experts on tv last night saying the R number is too close to 1 to be doing the relaxing of the advice that was announced yesterday.

See, thats now another thing

R numbers, 2nd waves, curves et al !, all that is is spiel, go to words,

they mean nowt, what there is, is a lurgy, A lurgy that will do its best to goddam kill yer

all this two metres, facemasking, washing hands, not touching mouths pale into time spent in risk areas, thats what it is, its time, reduce the times you are at risk then add the rest to your preventative mesures, if you can do what you gotta do in the shortest time possible, do it, dont lurk, hang around, dilly dally or the like, reduce the time exposed

there aint no waves, no R numbers, theres just this lurgy, and its gonna be around a long time, its took a century to get over the last big killing lurgy and thats still around killing people

you can quantify with numbers, statistics and all the other bull thats involved, but it still comes down to looking after yerself, taking what you deem the appropriate risks, and reducing the time you are exposed to any risk
 

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"Usually when the kids return to school after a break, within about a week they have picked up a cold and passed it onto us...
Returning to school now and keeping safe is going to be very difficult, despite all the measures and efforts schools are making. "

So on that line of thought is it not more beneficial that they go back now when the country is already prepared and in a situation where we can deal with it than in a few months times where the hospitals,care/health sectors etc have reverted back to their "normal" duties and the country has tried to become fully functional again?
 

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See, thats now another thing

R numbers, 2nd waves, curves et al !, all that is is spiel, go to words,

they mean nowt, what there is, is a lurgy, A lurgy that will do its best to goddam kill yer

all this two metres, facemasking, washing hands, not touching mouths pale into time spent in risk areas, thats what it is, its time, reduce the times you are at risk then add the rest to your preventative mesures, if you can do what you gotta do in the shortest time possible, do it, dont lurk, hang around, dilly dally or the like, reduce the time exposed

there aint no waves, no R numbers, theres just this lurgy, and its gonna be around a long time, its took a century to get over the last big killing lurgy and thats still around killing people

you can quantify with numbers, statistics and all the other bull thats involved, but it still comes down to looking after yerself, taking what you deem the appropriate risks, and reducing the time you are exposed to any risk


That's all well and good mick but without the figures how do you make a decision as what to do and how far to go.

There has to be some evidence to base your decision on.

If they are correct or not is another argument.
 

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Yes but Mick, what you've said is the layman's version of what the scientists say using figures and equations :)

You'd glue a joint in two pieces of wood, lay it down and go back to it later when you know it'll have set
The scientific approach would be to read the instructions, get a clock, measure the wood's porosity, take into account the atmospheric temperature and moisture, glue the two pieces of wood, lay it down and go back to it later when they've calculated it'll have set.

Same task, same materials, just different ways of approaching it.
Plus from a scientific point of view they'll have proved theirs is the correct method whereas your's is just based on experience ;)
 

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Well from my OWN perspective I am in shielding because I have lost part of my immunity system the one the deals with viruses, so I am being cautions waiting until 15 June before I do anything. This is just to see what happens after a lot of people going out and going to beaches definitely not 2 meters apart so will see what the infection rate will be then. Stay safe and healthy, common sense is not a degree that some people do not seem to have.

Looking on the bright side just in time for the river season:love:
 

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We can't stay locked down for ever or the economy will be totally wrecked, sooner or later we have to come out.
The public are relying on a handfull of individuals to guide us through this, they are the experts and have the data, unless you are part of this small group you know nothing.
We don't know if having had the virus we are immine
We don't know where the virus originated
We don't know if those who have died , died of the virus
We don't know if there is a reliable test
We don't know if the track and trace that the Govt dropped in april will work now
We don't know if and when a vacine that works will be available.
We can only hope our leaders have been busy over the last 12 weeks and that we are better prepared for what might happen over the next two weeks.
 

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...and those on the front line, in the hospitals, the care homes, home carers, etc, etc, haven't?
The need to step up to the mark and stop their whinging on behalf of their members, show some support
My 2 daughters have worked from day 1 on the front line. Had a weeks holiday that’s was planned last year cancelled. Worried that everytine they walk in my front door they could be bringing the virus home. And that Threat still exists And the teacher Or there union are moaning about going back in For a few weeks before there 6 weeks holiday. Daughter just done 5x 12 hr nights and been trying to sleep in the daytime with the heat we have had and kids screaming all day outside.
puts the teachers problems into perspective in my opinion
 
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