The NHS and Transgender

mickthechippy

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Im wondering about this sort of treatment being available on the NHS

its not that I feel Im against people who have a strong urge to wish themselves in another genders body, but it seems that to me anyway that it is more a lifestyle choice than a medical need,

Ive always understood that the NHS is there for medical and surgical needs, providing services that could either prolong life or cure illnesses

and it seems that in these days of restricted access to lot of far more urgent types of treatment for illnesses that are far more life threatening, the money that is spent on gender reassignment could and should be spent on the aforementioned treatments

Im of the understanding that gender re-assignment is not a short process and requires drugs and surgical services over a fair old period of time, and can tie up a hospital bed and operating theatre that could of been used to my mind in a far more worthy cause

the process should be available, but funded by the person involved, if they really want to change sex, they should be prepared to fund the process themselves, through thier own money and leave the public funded medical and surgical services to do what they do best, to do what they were set up for

this article on todays BBC news website, sorta provoked me to author this thread, am I being too hard on them or do you also think that the money could be better spent

 

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Personally, I don’t think the NHS should be involved in this. Neither should it be involved in surgery for fat buggers who can’t be bothered to help themselves. Plus there should be limited access for adults who choose not to work. I feel better now.....
 

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Something tells me it's more to do with political dialectics than it is to being fair. Who knows though, maybe there was demand for it. I once knew an otherwise intelligent man who believed in non-binary gender and recommended me a lot of literature on the subject, to be honest most of that stuff does my head in now though as it seems to have hit the political mainstream.
 

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They should absolutely pay and go private,never in a million years should this type of
treatment be done on the NHS.
 

Godber

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I'm with you on this Mick. My Mrs is costing the NHS a small fortune, surgery, chemo, radiation treatment, x-rays, MRI and PET scans, cancer drugs, drugs to fight the side effects of cancer drugs, blood tests etc etc etc. She will be getting this for the rest of her life whether that's weeks months or years.
Money well spent as far as l'm concerned.
Gender reassignment, let them finance it, it's not a life threatening condition or serious illness or injury. Surely it's not what the NHS is for.
Am I bitter, yes or maybe angry is a better word, that time and resources is spent on these(non essential) type of treatments.
 

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Serious question {well not that serious}. If I was to dress up as a women {try not to throw up} and then got changed in the
ladies changing room at my local swimming pool would I be guilty of a crime?
 

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You're not allowed to question it in today's society; but if i identify as the Tooth Fairy, can i punch you in the mouth to knock a few teeth out? i doubt it!!!
 

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Serious question {well not that serious}. If I was to dress up as a women {try not to throw up} and then got changed in the
ladies changing room at my local swimming pool would I be guilty of a crime?

They have gender neutral now anyway! :( Our Arab and European friends will be happy swimming now. :)
 

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...and to really get silly, alcoholism is now called a disease. I'm not sure how infectious it is. I must remember not to go near an alcoholic, I might catch it too.
There's always someone who wants to make an excuse.
Getting back to young Michael's original post, no. Outboards who want to be inboards or inboards who want to be outboards are no problem to me but alterations should be at their own expense. It's a lifetime choice, not a disease. Hospitals are for ill people not for people making lifestyle choices.
Yes, I am an unsympathetic barsteward.
 

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If a bloke was to dress up as a bird and enter a ladies changing room he could argue he was not perving just exercising his right
to gender fluidity, sound daft? It would not surprise me if judges ruled in his favour.

Which brings me to. Do judges make their judgements on a basis of common sense and fairness or part of a bigger picture which
keeps us plebs in our place?

Some years ago I was listening to a judge name of Stephens {if I remember correctly}. He was lord chief justice and has got a brain
the size of Wales, I had to turn the radio off or I would have chucked it out of the window, terminally stupid would be a fair description
of this fool.
 

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We have a barrister in our family Pompous git and she hasnt got the sense she was born with. Extremely bright but, no common sense at all.
 

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The issue is whether or not the person's mental health is suffering as a result of their 'wrong' gender.
If so then the NHS should provide gender reassignment.

However, and this is where the NHS fails itself, it should also be assigned a priority level and likewise with all other ailments, issues, and treatments, and if the patient did not feel they were being seen to as quickly as they like then the option to go private should be there, at their expense.

The same goes for a lot other conditions such as gastric bands, tattoo removal, breast enlargement/reduction, cosmetic procedures, if it's not essential please join the queue
 

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The issue is whether or not the person's mental health is suffering as a result of their 'wrong' gender.
If so then the NHS should provide gender reassignment.

However, and this is where the NHS fails itself, it should also be assigned a priority level and likewise with all other ailments, issues, and treatments, and if the patient did not feel they were being seen to as quickly as they like then the option to go private should be there, at their expense.

The same goes for a lot other conditions such as gastric bands, tattoo removal, breast enlargement/reduction, cosmetic procedures, if it's not essential please join the queue

I think you have hit the nail on the head Dave. ?
 

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it's pees me reet off that they bitch and moan about having to wait for the NHS...these are the same people who'll bitch and moan that their grannies neighbours sisters cousin left toe has been giving them aggro for years and there isn't enough money in the NHS to treat her!

An exneighbour of ours was only interested in 3 things, eating, drinking and playing bingo...she had 3 tummy tucks on the nhs because her depression over her stomach was causing her to think suicidal thoughts...then she'd go out eating rubbish and drinking herself stupid every weekend..once the belly got to big back to the docs with depression and another tummy tuck on the NHS :mad::mad:

Unless there is a real medical reason or the problem was through no fault of their own all "plastic surgery" should be banned from the NHS budget simples, if you want to be a woman go cut it off in one of the EE countries that specialise in it!!
 

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firstly being transgender is not a choice I would not wish this life on anyone trust me

as for being treated on the nhs why shouldnt i i paid into the system like everyone else

as for having surgery that is as important for a trans person as orthopaedic surgery for someone

and to put it in to context in the last 2 years I have been assaulted shot at with a crossbow and had members of my own family attempt to hurt me just for being transgender
 

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Maybe we should look at the effect of NOT carrying out certain procedures, gastric bands for one. The small price (in comparison) of fitting one could be more cost effective than treating obesity related problems in years to come, same as help to quit smoking . Trans people ,I would think, are assessed mentally before any ops, and if found to be at risk of self harm without it, then maybe having the op would be better than leaving them to a life of misery and constant visits to psychiatric units. If, on the other hand, it's a lifestyle choice, or "mummy wanted a daughter/son", then pay for it.
 

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Personally, I don’t think the NHS should be involved in this. Neither should it be involved in surgery for fat buggers who can’t be bothered to help themselves. Plus there should be limited access for adults who choose not to work. I feel better now.....
They aren’t fat, their big boned
 

stephanie

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@TrickyD
you raise a good point befor I got under the care of the gic I was suffering with severe depression I tried multiple times to end myself witch took up places in mental health units and even took up the time of other agencys to protect me from me now I am in a better place mentally getting the treatment that I need

I had an assessment a few months ago and the first question the doctor aske me was "why do you want this surgery" my reply was "I don't want it I need it "
 
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