Testing feeder rods: An experiment.

squimp

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Over the course of the last year I have accumulated 2 heavy feeder rods and haven’t used them at anything other than short range.

Recently there have been several threads about distance casting and what rods should be able to do in terms of distance....

So yesterday, as I had some time on my hands and didn’t fancy a trip to a cold river I decided to do an experiment. More specifically test several different rods with different reels/lines and feeders.

The rods were:

Matrix XD 4m 100g (heavy quiver fitted). Bought brand new after advice from Nicky Dodds.
Daiwa 13ft WKL 11-13 QTF heavy combo quiver. Heavy quiver fitted. bought used (for £32!!) on ebay after an alert from ‘nocarpplease’.
Drennan IM8 12ft superfeeder (heavy quiver fitted). bought used about 20 years ago.
Harrison 12ft Chimera rod. 1.75 tc test curve - my standard tench/bream feeder rod.
Harrison Torrix 12ft 2.75 tc carp rod. - My standard ‘heavy’ carp rods.

Reels:
Shimano 4000 Gt - my standard tench reels (a ‘small’ reel). Loaded with 8lb mono.
Cadence CS8 4000. Ano ‘small‘ reel. Loaded with 10lb mono.
Shimano 5500 baby big pit (‘big’ reel). 3 spools:
1x12Lb mono.
1x15lb mono
1x 0.12 mm braid with a nylon shock leader.

Weights and feeders:
50 gram distance lead.
50 gram window feeder (actually weighs 50g; and full with ground bait weighs 60g).
60 gram pear lead.
70 gram distance lead.
70gram rocket feeder weighs 70g empty despite being labelled as 60g ! Loaded with ground bait weighs 100g.
90 gram pear lead.

casting ground was a local field and I laid out a 100 metre tape.

About me:
im an experienced fisher who can cast to a good standard. I have had one afternoon’s distance casting tuition (with Mark Hutchinson) and with him coaching me I could do 130m with a heavy 3.25 tc carp rod.

I am emphatically not a distance caster and I didn’t abuse the rods in the course of this test. the casts were simple overhead thumps with a bit of weight transfer -nothing more.

Results:

1. chimera 12ft 1.75 tc.

I know this rod well and so started with this one as I know what it can do....

With my small Shimano 4000 reel and 8lb line I could consistently put a 50 gram lead 75 metres.

A 50gram window feeder went almost exactly the same distance.

I tried a 60gram lead and it felt as if the rod was slightly overloaded and the result confirmed that - 67m.


2. Torrix 12ft 2.75 tc.

Again a rod I know well.

Big (5500) reel and 15lb line straight thru’.

70 gram lead. Rod felt under loaded and result was 83 metres.

90 grams. rod was working properly and the result was better - 92 metres. Far enough for my style of carp fishing. I can definitely sell my heavier rods now.


3. Drennan 12 ft Superfeeder.

A rod Ive had for ages, but never used at any sort of range. others on here have recommended it for longer casting situations....

Small reel (cadence 4000) and 10lb mono straight through.

50 gram lead and a pleasant surprise - the result was 71 metres. The rod was well loaded and more weight would have been detrimental.


4. Daiwa 13ft Heavy feeder.

Big reel and thin braid:

50 grams - lovely ‘springy’ action and the lead went 70 metres.

60 grams, loaded the rod just right and 91 metres was the result. A real surprise to me.

same rod but a change to big reel and 12 lb mono:

50 grams - 65 metres.
60 grams - 72 metres. Both results considerably less (10-20 percent) than those achieved with braid.


5. matrix XD 100 gram rod.

Big reel and 12 lb mono.

70 gram lead - felt the right sort of load and went 85 metres.

Then tried the same rod with the thin braid:

70 gram lead went 103 metres. Again an uplift of nearly 20 Percent over the (heavy) mono.

I then tried a 50g window feeder and that went 85m - but felt well under Loaded. obviously a full one (60g) would have gone a bit further.

I chickened out of trying the 75 gram rocket for 2 reasons: I didn’t want to wreck an expensive feeder and also I didn’t trust the thin shock leader.


Conclusions:

It was pretty obvious what weight suited each rod. The rod will cast the furthest when it is properly loaded.

A better caster could cast a fair bit further. I was casting within myself as evidenced by the consistency (casts with the same weight/rod/reel were usually within 2 metres of each other) and accuracy I was achieving.

Thin braid makes a real difference to the distances achieved.

There are lots of similar tests that could be done. for example a big reel with 8lb mono on it would be a good one to try.

Thanks to several maggot drowners for the inspiration.

It has certainly been useful to me, I hope some of you might find the results helpful....
 
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drw

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Very interesting read I may have a go at doing something similar ?
 

Ken the Pacman

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Using 4lb running mono with a suitable 8/10lb shockleader would have brought the distances much closer to the braid on the feeder rods.
Its all about the diameter of the line and the drag it causes.
 

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Very interesting and makes me want to do the same.
I always use the 5500 on my matrix XD and up until a few weeks ago found a prestons 45gr window feeder my best option for distance. However I tried a 40gr horizon plastic cage with the pointy nose and they beat the windows.
I also must master the standing cast as I nearly always cast from a sitting position.
It would be interesting to bring a conny Z out of retirement and put a big reel on to see what it can do.
 

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Very interesting and makes me want to do the same.
I always use the 5500 on my matrix XD and up until a few weeks ago found a prestons 45gr window feeder my best option for distance. However I tried a 40gr horizon plastic cage with the pointy nose and they beat the windows.
I also must master the standing cast as I nearly always cast from a sitting position.
It would be interesting to bring a conny Z out of retirement and put a big reel on to see what it can do.

Again, interesting noting your distance experiences between the window feeder and the horizon plastic pointy jobbie....And surprised me to be honest, but I know you know your stuff...;)(y)

I reckon the Conny z experiment would be interesting, but I fear the size of the butt ring will have a distance limiting factor....:(

I always got away with sitting down with distance casting, but standing up got me further and more accuracy (standing on the foot plate or Penrose platform, but obviously, safety has to be borne in mind)....(y)
 

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Very interesting read. Braid is definitely the way to go for distance casting no matter what the feeder I would guess. Thank you for going to the trouble of reporting your findings.
 

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Again, interesting noting your distance experiences between the window feeder and the horizon plastic pointy jobbie....And surprised me to be honest, but I know you know your stuff...;)(y)

I reckon the Conny z experiment would be interesting, but I fear the size of the butt ring will have a distance limiting factor....:(

I always got away with sitting down with distance casting, but standing up got me further and more accuracy (standing on the foot plate or Penrose platform, but obviously, safety has to be borne in mind)....(y)
Yes you're right mark it's basically a butt ring from a match rod. I do have another that has no tip carrier so I might have a rummage around and see what rings I have to maybe experiment with.
 

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Thanks for the positive comments guys.

Its interesting what you say about rod rings, I was surprised how far the old Daiwa would cast given its old fashioned ringing. The Matrix looks like a beach caster when you put them side by side !

I take Ken’s point about the 4lb mono/shockleader combination. However I’m never going to fish like that - I wouldn’t feel comfortable with the threat of a break off (remember I’m a specialist big fish angler) I might consider 6lb ++.

A couple of points of clarification: all casts were made standing up and I suffered no crack-offs. I hadn’t previously distance cast with really thin braid - so that was good news to me. I wanted to try it before I actually went fishing in case I did have problems.

I have just seen the forecast for the end of next week and more high pressure is due. If I get ano really still day I might try some more experiments.
 

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If you have a look on YouTube,, Michael buchwalder is casting 100 mtrs, with 0.08mm braid, direct, no need for any shock leader, I use 0.10 braid direct, and I’ve never cracked off,
 

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If you have a look on YouTube,, Michael buchwalder is casting 100 mtrs, with 0.08mm braid, direct, no need for any shock leader, I use 0.10 braid direct, and I’ve never cracked off,

quick question pal.

Do you have to use certain knots if your fishing braid direct?
 

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The knot I use is very simple, but strong, I tie a granny knot in one end of 4ft of mono, thread my braid through the granny knot, then pull the granny knot tight, pull 10 inches of braid through the granny knot, and use the grinner knot,over the mono to tie them together,, pull tight, slide the knot down to the granny knot, hey presto, job done, I’ve been snagged up a few times on rocks, then pulled for a break, and this knot hasn’t failed me yet,
 

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Hi squimp

have you fished with the Daiwa yet? Hopefully it’s not a disappointment!

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The daiwa in question is the very first Daiwa 11-13, before the amorphous whisker even, so over 30 years old. It’s basically the equivalent of of the amorphous heavy, rather than the stillwater.
 

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Yes.

Once. On the Thames; first fish was a 9.12 bream !

The rod is really versatile. And for £30 an absolute steal. So I owe you one........
 
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