TDR v SHIMANO AERO 4000 FA

[GGJD69]

Hi guys,
Just to be used for Bream fishing mostly.
Which is the best?
Cheers

 

[Peter]

Both decent quality reels Gary, the one thing I would advise is to try and see how they feel when fitted to a reel seat/rod. Shimano's tend to have a slightly longer stem than Daiwa's and the spools can be a bit of a reach if your fingers aren't particularly long.

 

[mickthechippy]

if your going shimano

take a look at the stradics, 3000 or 4000

 

[Tinca Mad]

I can't comment on the TDR but have the Aero 4000 FA in the Spin and Feeder models. Awesome reels.
Over size spool is great for casting and they come standard with a spare spool.
These just happen to be up on eBay at the moment. They are discontinued and don't come up that often:

2 x SHIMANO AERO 4000 FA Match Reels | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 2 x SHIMANO AERO 4000 FA Match Reels at the best online prices at eBay! Free delivery for many products!

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2 x SHIMANO AERO 4000 FA Feeder Reels | eBay

"A combination of Floating Shaft II and S-ARB ball bearings ensures that the wear and tear within the reel is reduced significantly. If you are in the market for a new, top of the range, feeder reel for all your coarse and carp fishing then you need look no further than the Shimano Aero 4000 FA...

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[CarpCatcher86]

Another vote for the 4000FA.
The oversized spool makes such a difference and is a huge improvement compared to the stradic. I had two of the 4000FA match reels for both float and feeder fishing as I preferred the double handle and the slightly lower gear ratio offered a little more cranking power. I even had one spool on the reel I kept for feeder fishing loaded with 30lb braid and used it as a spinning reel. The wide spool correctly filled with low diameter coated braid made casting even light lures and spinners a doddle.
Rather stupidly some may say I got rid of all my course gear and went down the lure/spinning road. I now have a catana spinning rod plus three beastmaster spinning rods coupled with a Catana spinning reel for freshwater and the Stradic CI4 for fresh and saltwater use. I do wish the stradic came with a spare spool and I still do miss the wide spool on the 4000FA. £140 ish for a reel that doesn't come with a spare spool is a bit of a joke to be honest.

 

[GGJD69]

Thanks Guys. I have two TDR 3012 reels at present but I have had a few occasions, as has a friend of mine using the same reels, where the line has gone behind the spool after striking into a bream. After winding on you can guess the rest. Another mate uses the Shimano 4000 FA feeder reels and swears by them. So my question is simply this. Will I get the same problem with the Shimano's or is the problem a Daiwa design fault? Or am I doing something wrong?
I have 8lb Drennan feeder line on one reel and braid on the other. It has only happened with the Mono.
Thanks in advance lads
Gazza

 

[GGJD69]

Both decent quality reels Gary, the one thing I would advise is to try and see how they feel when fitted to a reel seat/rod. Shimano's tend to have a slightly longer stem than Daiwa's and the spools can be a bit of a reach if your fingers aren't particularly long.

Cheers Peter.

 

[GGJD69]

if your going shimano

take a look at the stradics, 3000 or 4000

Thanks Mick

 

[andypet]

I've recently moved back to Shimanos from Daiwa after repeatedly having the line go behind the spool on various TDRs I've owned. Not had an issue with the Shimano's whilst spinning this Autumn/winter. Line lay is better than the TDR's with my Shimano's too. Thought I would miss not having a backwind but it hasn't caused me any problems and I'm not missing it. I have a Sedona and 2 Stradic Ci4s. I would recommend both models. I'm sure thee will be many fans of Daiwa out there - TBH it's personal preference.

 

[rudd]

Shimano specialists in reels and bike components from entry to very high end.
Daiwa - allrounder in fishing tackle from entry to mid range.

 

[nejohn]

Shimano specialists in reels and bike components from entry to very high end.
Daiwa - allrounder in fishing tackle from entry to mid range.

Don't really get your reasoning behind Daiwa only go from entry level to mid range....have you had a look at their product range recently some very high quality kit including reels, poles and rods and what is more they are much more in tune with the UK market than Shimano currently appear to be. Personally I am not a big fan of the current range of Shimano reels I feel when they 1st broke into the UK market the quality was second to none, newer reels however are a different kettle of fish with only the made in Japan reels being able to be classed as real high end and unfortunately these tend to be targeted at a much more global market and are not altogether suited to UK methods. I feel at every price point Daiwa currently produce a better quality product, but like most things this is just a personal opinion .
To answer the OP's question a guy I know bought a couple of Aero feeder reels and got rid of them because of the line repeatedly going behind the spool, swapped them for TDM's and had no further issues however this problem may not be a fault of the reel but a combintation of the reel, the line used, the way the line is loaded, and fishing/casting techniques as it appears to happen randomly to many different reels with some people claiming to have massive problems and others claiming to have no problems at all with the same reel, so any claims like this should probably be treat with some caution

 

[Total]

Shimano specialists in reels and bike components from entry to very high end.......

And soon to be released (if not already), Shimano 'Aero 5' and 'Aero 7' rod ranges. Quite a few videos on You Tube showing the new rods....Didn't see anything regarding new reel releases.

 

[Tinca Mad]

Don't really get your reasoning behind Daiwa only go from entry level to mid range....have you had a look at their product range recently some very high quality kit including reels, poles and rods and what is more they are much more in tune with the UK market than Shimano currently appear to be. Personally I am not a big fan of the current range of Shimano reels I feel when they 1st broke into the UK market the quality was second to none, newer reels however are a different kettle of fish with only the made in Japan reels being able to be classed as real high end and unfortunately these tend to be targeted at a much more global market and are not altogether suited to UK methods. I feel at every price point Daiwa currently produce a better quality product, but like most things this is just a personal opinion .
To answer the OP's question a guy I know bought a couple of Aero feeder reels and got rid of them because of the line repeatedly going behind the spool, swapped them for TDM's and had no further issues however this problem may not be a fault of the reel but a combintation of the reel, the line used, the way the line is loaded, and fishing/casting techniques as it appears to happen randomly to many different reels with some people claiming to have massive problems and others claiming to have no problems at all with the same reel, so any claims like this should probably be treat with some caution

The line has caught a few times for me behind the spool on the Spin and Feeder models but would I sell them and buy something else?
Yes, the Ci4 Aero 4000FA if I could find one!

 

[DevonDangler]

Not used a Shimano reel for years, couldn’t get on with them somehow but love my TDRs ??

 

[rd115]

For commie feeder fishing I'd take a Daiwa TDR all the way.

Ultegra 5500 for any great distance.

 

[rudd]

Don't really get your reasoning behind Daiwa only go from entry level to mid range....have you had a look at their product range recently some very high quality kit including reels, poles and rods and what is more they are much more in tune with the UK market than Shimano currently appear to be. Personally I am not a big fan of the current range of Shimano reels I feel when they 1st broke into the UK market the quality was second to none, newer reels however are a different kettle of fish with only the made in Japan reels being able to be classed as real high end and unfortunately these tend to be targeted at a much more global market and are not altogether suited to UK methods. I feel at every price point Daiwa currently produce a better quality product, but like most things this is just a personal opinion .
To answer the OP's question a guy I know bought a couple of Aero feeder reels and got rid of them because of the line repeatedly going behind the spool, swapped them for TDM's and had no further issues however this problem may not be a fault of the reel but a combintation of the reel, the line used, the way the line is loaded, and fishing/casting techniques as it appears to happen randomly to many different reels with some people claiming to have massive problems and others claiming to have no problems at all with the same reel, so any claims like this should probably be treat with some caution

I am talking reels not rods, poles etc.

http://fish.shimano.com/content/fish/northamerica/us/en/homepage/Spinning_Reels.html

 

[rudd]

http://fish.shimano.com/content/fish/northamerica/us/en/homepage/Saltwater_Spinning_Reels.html

http://fish.shimano.com/content/fish/northamerica/us/en/homepage/Low_Profile_Reels.html

http://fish.shimano.com/content/fish/northamerica/us/en/homepage/Surf_Reels.html

http://fish.shimano.com/content/fish/northamerica/us/en/homepage/Conventional_Reels.html

http://fish.shimano.com/content/fish/northamerica/us/en/homepage/Round_Reels.html

http://fish.shimano.com/content/fish/northamerica/us/en/homepage/Electric_Reels.html

I personally rate Shimano and have models from Alivio through to Aspire, GTM, SuperAero and even an original Triton baitrunner.
Owned others, Stradics, twinpower, powerloop but sadly needed funds and sold them for good money.
Also own reels by Mitchel, Abu, Penn, TFG, Okhuma ,Rovex and a Drennan.
Have also owned Daiwa and Ryobi.
Worst of the lot - Drennan!

 

[nejohn]

I am talking reels not rods, poles etc.

http://fish.shimano.com/content/fish/northamerica/us/en/homepage/Spinning_Reels.html

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Nothing mid range about some of the Daiwa reels in their current catalogue and I note that all of the Shimano reels are from the North American catalogue so not really tailored to the UK market where as the daiwa's are all listed as UK models from the UK catalogue

Reels | daiwasports.co.uk

www.daiwasports.co.uk

I do however fully agree with you about the worst reels .... Drennan wins that competition hands down

 

[Rick123]

Line behind spools is an age old problem, not solved even today. I brought a Cadence top reel and that has the same problem, for me Shimano have been the worst, but maybe I use them more than my Daiwa reels?

 

[Dave Spence]

Another vote for Shimano, although I have not used a Daiwa reel for 50 odd years, so I am probably a bit out of touch