Tactics for avoiding carp on mixed fisheries?

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Even more fun on a pole with light elastic :)
My heart isn’t up to that Brian. 😂😂. I was fishing a small waggler with just a couple of number 11 down the line. Catching roach on the drop is one of my favourite methods.
 

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Quite a range of opinions here guys thanks.

It sounds like scaling down to fine wire is the way forward so I'll give that a bash when I'm there next. I've noticed the carp wont take corn quite as readily as other baits, so maybe thats also something I can try.

I never knew a species of fish could be so, polarising, with the possible exception of gudgen to roach specialists.

PS. Thanks admin for the move, I wasn't sure where it belonged.
 

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I don't know many people who want to avoid carp.
Heres one. I avoid waters where they are likely to be accidental captures and stick to club waters where I’m highly unlikely to hook one a season let alone one a session. I don’t hate them but locally we have several waters where they were stocked years ago as pasties and are now a right royal pain despite their numbers having naturally thinned out.
 

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The original poster has made what is, perhaps, unwittingly, a very good point, about hitting big fish when fishing for smaller species.

It's actually the main reason why most matchmen fishing commercials where carp are present in numbers, gear up for carp (with occasional exceptions in Winter). Lots of them (including me) would be equally happy catching roach, but they think it's wrong to fish light and risk being broken and fish swimming around with tackle attached. I see no other answer.
 

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Yep I want to avoid them 90% of the time and agree lakes with with close to natural biomass ie more of the small species than bigger species are the best way to go. I hooked only 4 carp across 5 sessions on one such lake last year and didn’t hook any across 4 sessions on 2 such lakes so far this year. Makes it a lot easier to target the other species with the right tackle when you don’t have to worry about carp so you subsequently catch a lot more of what you want to catch. Fishing rivers is the just about the only way to completely avoid them though.
 

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The original poster has made what is, perhaps, unwittingly, a very good point, about hitting big fish when fishing for smaller species.

It's actually the main reason why most matchmen fishing commercials where carp are present in numbers, gear up for carp (with occasional exceptions in Winter). Lots of them (including me) would be equally happy catching roach, but they think it's wrong to fish light and risk being broken and fish swimming around with tackle attached. I see no other answer.

Thats exactly it. I didn't have the gear I'd want to have if I was targetting carp, principally an unhooking mat and a sling for handling/release. My 2oz tip would probably fail if I hooked into a 20lb+ fish. My landing net also isn't designed for it and I had problems with a 30" fish in a 22" net the other day, mostly on release. It was all fine in the end, but I wouldn't want to make a habit of it without being properly equipped.

I've since ordered an unhooking mat to be on the safe side but its another item to carry!
 

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The original poster has made what is, perhaps, unwittingly, a very good point, about hitting big fish when fishing for smaller species.

It's actually the main reason why most matchmen fishing commercials where carp are present in numbers, gear up for carp (with occasional exceptions in Winter). Lots of them (including me) would be equally happy catching roach, but they think it's wrong to fish light and risk being broken and fish swimming around with tackle attached. I see no other answer.
Catching big fish when fishing for smaller fish is just what happens.
 

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I think you need to find a water which has the fish you want to target and not carp. You may have to travel a bit but surely it would suit you better.
 

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Quite a range of opinions here guys thanks.

It sounds like scaling down to fine wire is the way forward so I'll give that a bash when I'm there next...

Nay, setting out your stall to LOSE fish is just being defeatist!

As Neil says, a medium wire hook to a 3lb hooklength will not put the roach off, whilst giving you every chance of landing a decent carp, provided you have a bit of open, snag-free water in front of you.

Last year I had half a dozen mid to upper doubles from a small mixed fishery.
But it CAN upset the multiple rods & buzzers brigade. :cool:

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I think you need to find a water which has the fish you want to target and not carp. You may have to travel a bit but surely it would suit you better.

It's not that I don't enjoy catching them, it was a real rush and I was over the moon, it's just that since I returned to fishing I've caught more carp than anything else, despite not trying to target them. Variety is the spice of life...so they say.
 

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Nay, setting out your stall to LOSE fish is just being defeatist!

As Neil says, a medium wire hook to a 3lb hooklength will not put the roach off, whilst giving you every chance of landing a decent carp, provided you have a bit of open, snag-free water in front of you.

Last year I had half a dozen mid to upper doubles from a small mixed fishery.
But it CAN upset the multiple rods & buzzers brigade. :cool:

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Lovely fish that. I also appreciate the traditional tackle. You're right about potentially upsetting some people, I was fighting the larger carp the other day and it took so long, I developed a small audience of anglers from the other pegs. I think they suspected a monster was inbound. Sadly for them, it wasn't quite that big. Apparently I was the only guy to take a carp out all day despite being the only one in surrounding pegs not actively trying to. We had a good chuckle about that.
 

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If I had a pound for every time I've been the only one to catch a carp on a lake despite being the only one not fishing for them I'd cover the cost of at least one day ticket. You do feel a bit silly when the carpers are all staring at you for 10-15 minutes with the rod bent double as they wait expectantly only for you to produce about a 12-13 pounder lol
 

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I'm another who wants to avoid carp most of the time, I like F1 fishing though, I know they are technically carp, but can be much harder to catch at times.
 

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Nay, setting out your stall to LOSE fish is just being defeatist!

As Neil says, a medium wire hook to a 3lb hooklength will not put the roach off, whilst giving you every chance of landing a decent carp, provided you have a bit of open, snag-free water in front of you.

Last year I had half a dozen mid to upper doubles from a small mixed fishery.
But it CAN upset the multiple rods & buzzers brigade. :cool:

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I think it's more the cane, centre pin and porky that upsets them mate.
 

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On my local fishery there are some huge tench but they are seldom caught due to the carp getting to the bait first. One of my mates goes there on match days and fishes away from the match pegs, the carp are attracted to the pegs where the bait is being rained in and he will often snag one of the elusive tench whilst the carp are distracted by the match lads.
 

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I used to fish a place that was really good for tench but they kept putting more carp in that got bigger and bigger and it got to a point where you’d hook at least 3 carp for every tench. You’d get broken off maybe 50% of the time as it had platforms that they’d get under but if you upped the gear to deal with the carp you wouldn’t be get the tench so I just stopped going.
 
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