Spade-End Hooks and Line Diameter

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What is your experience with spade-end hooks and heavier line diameters?

After my recent faux pas with a size 12 spade end knot slipping, I have been wondering whether hook-lengths of 4lb or more can be securely tied to a spade end?
I am sure the carp anglers will know??

Perhaps it was simply a balls-up on my part, but curious to know member's experiences and advice.

I never get any trouble with size 14 to 18 spade end hooks/2 to 2.5lbs line coming undone.
 

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What is your experience with spade-end hooks and heavier line diameters?

After my recent faux pas with a size 12 spade end knot slipping, I have been wondering whether hook-lengths of 4lb or more can be securely tied to a spade end?
I am sure the carp anglers will know??

Perhaps it was simply a balls-up on my part, but curious to know member's experiences and advice.

I never get any trouble with size 14 to 18 spade end hooks/2 to 2.5lbs line coming undone.
I have had similar problems. I assumed it was the spade being too small on some brands. I even tried tying an eyed hook as a spade for better presentation but that was a mistake as the line caught in the gap and cut the line.
I now used eyed hooks for heavier lines. If I want a better presentation which means the hook at a sharper angle I use the carp anglers trick of using a plastic maggot/aligner system.
Works for me.
 

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What brand of hook/pattern where you tying? What line? Are you tying by hand / matchman / gizmo or a. n. other hook tyer?

Myself I've not had any issues (so far!) with Maver MT2 & MT3 tied to MV-R Hooklength mono in 0.16 (5.5lbs) and 0.18 (6.6lbs) using a Gizmo ZT Pro.
 

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For what it's worth I tie 6lb sensor to a 16 or 14's super spade with no issues at all. I've even tied it to an 18's and it's been fine.
I'm not sure without going looking at the back of a pack of drennan hooks, but I seem to recall it tells you the line diameters suitable to the hooks in the pack.
 

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I use spades for 99% of my river and canal fishing. Never have a problem. I admit I don't fish too heavy anyway and using 0.16mm line is 'proper' heavy to me. If I really needed heavier for a hook & hold situation then I have swapped to eyed in the past but only because I was tying to 0.20mm with something like a 14. Certainly I would not worry about tying a size 12 (if in at least a reasonable thickness of wire) to 4lb (my 4lb would be 0.15mm anyway and max 0.16/17mm).
 

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I'm going up to 0.20 this summer and hope it still works ok. First sign of a problem and I'll be using eyed of course.
As I said, i'm using 6lb sensor which is stated as being 0.24 (but apparently is 0.23 according to tackle box line tests) tied to drennan superspades, kamasan animals, browning beasts etc mostly in 14s to 16s sizes. I even hit and hold barbel with that set up on countless ocassions. The hook (spade) has never cut through my line and I have never had any problems using that set up. Anyone having a problem cannot be tying the hook on properly!
 

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I regularly (in summer) use Preston xsh in 12/14 to 0.20mm, not had a problem, I think one or two hook patterns have too small a spade.I tie them with my eBay electric hook tyer (12 years old!).
 

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I’ve never gone above 6lb on spade end (Kamasan Animal, b611) from 12 to 18 and not had a knot slip but then historically I never fished “big fish” waters that demanded heavier tackle.

All my current fishing with heavier line is done with eyed hooks (QM1, etc), not because I don’t trust spade ends but rather that I find it so much easier tying my own hair rigs with an eyed hook.
 

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I'm sure I've got some straight-through margin rigs with a size 12 spade-end tied to 0.22mm diameter and I know I've definitely got a couple of 0.20mm to a similar size hook which is my usual go to rig for fishing cat-meat close to reeds or other snags.

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The largest diameter I use on spades is Reflo Power 0.13 (I am told this will be more likely 0.15) 4lb 12oz to a B611 16. After that it is eyed hooks.
 

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Just trying to remember how heavy a line i've used with spade end hooks, i've deffo used 8lb on size 12, 10 and 8's.
 

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Years ago, there was a trend to fish Maxey (not to far from you) with a single maggot for big carp to 20lb+ as it was all they'd take. It was extreme example and needed maximum 18 Kamasan Animal or else no bites, to 8lb line or you couldn't get the things in - had to be spade as line that thick wouldn't pass through an eyed hook that size.

I hand tied my spades, I never had a knot slip or even more surprisingly, a hook pull mid fight.
 

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The hook was Kamasan B911 to Drennan Specialist 4lb line. Tied with my 1970s Easy-Ti.
Judging from the responses, the chief suspect would appear to be a poor knot ,rather than inappropriate hook/line combination.
I have three of that combination tied up, so will test them to destruction. I hope to establish whether it was a one-off failure or not.
Thanks for taking the time to answer my question and share your experiences.
 
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It’s all about balance, light weight little hook tied to strong line, will it hold if you hook something large or are you risking tearing a mouth. Size 10 xsh -b for paste happily tie to reflo 0.17, same as Preston do for their or tied range.
 

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Three factors are relative, size of hook, size of spade and thickness of line, For small hooks use finer line. 18-20 up to 0.12. A lot depends on the line as well. I use Silstar for nearly all eyed hair rig hooklengths but find it is difficult to tie spades with as the line doesn't pull through itself smoothly. So for spades, I tend to use Guru or Stroft.
 

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Recently, I too have had problems with knots slipping using spade end hooks. I've used them for 55 years, and can never remember a problem in the past. I now give the whipping a dot of superglue just for piece of mind.
 

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The largest diameter I use on spades is Reflo Power 0.13 (I am told this will be more likely 0.15) 4lb 12oz to a B611 16. After that it is eyed hooks.
After a bit of experimenting, I am going to limit spade ends to size 14 and below, with lighter lines. 12 and larger will be eyed.
I like the lightweight 14s for tares or flake, in the right conditions.
 
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