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HarleyRod

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After a 30 year break from fishing I'm back and loving it but I'm totally befuddled by pellets. I never had those back in the 80s!

I don't really know what I'm doing. I tried fishing today with expanders, but they just fell off the hook.

I've tried with fishery feed pellets on a band, but got nothing.

Should I soak pellets before using them as hook bait?

I feel so daft, but I just don't know what I'm doing when it comes to pellets.
 

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There are three types of pellets
1)Feed pellets which will be used for feed or on a band for hookbait, some people wet them in various ways to soften them or make them sink better but batches vary so much you need to experiment a little for yourself, to use them on a band there is no need to soak them. Fishery pellets are mostly general coarse fish pellets but there are also Trout and Marine plus many flavoured versions.

2)Expanders which are floating pond pellets mostly, normally soaked or pumped to make them sink and make them softer, again there are various types some of which are coated to make them sink and dont need pumping. These are mostly used for hookbait but some like to feed them as well.

3) Prepared hook pellets, these are mostly expanders treated with preservative and have a long shelf life and are used as hookbait only.
In addition to the three there are others like drilled pellets and modified hook pellet shaped hook baits most are for specialised uses and there are many ways to prepare pellets with flavours and things like gelatine to make them more suitable for the hook but again you can experiment with what might suit you.
 

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After a 30 year break from fishing I'm back and loving it but I'm totally befuddled by pellets. I never had those back in the 80s!

I don't really know what I'm doing. I tried fishing today with expanders, but they just fell off the hook.

I've tried with fishery feed pellets on a band, but got nothing.

Should I soak pellets before using them as hook bait?

I feel so daft, but I just don't know what I'm doing when it comes to pellets.
Sonubaits expanders ,just soak in really cold water and leave in the fridge overnight ,you can add flavour to the cold water. Other hard pellets just band them and feed over the top , in the cold weather keep them on the bottom ,just touching or an inch overdepth to 2 or 3 inch over . As it gets warmer the pellets are brilliant banded up in the water or on the deck . Sosimple baits do a good range of pellets and seem excellent, will be trying some tomorrow.
 

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Thanks Robert. I tried the 4mm sonubaits today, on a hair rig and just couldn't keep them on. I'll keep going.
Expanders are more for straight hooking , hard pellets are for banding ..starting point 4mm expander on a 16 hook , and feed pre soaked micros , or pre soaked hard 4mm ......As the weather warms up a banded 6mm hard pellet and feed 4 or 6mm hard pellets....have a look on YouTube at some pellet fishing ,and bait preparation, it will give you an insight and a starting block 👍
 

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First of all I can't think how you would attach a 4mil expander on a hair. Forget the hair and just hook the pellet.

This is a 2mil on a size 18 B611.

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It is too early yet IMHO for banded hard pellet. Water needs to warm up a lot more.

For my guide to fishing pellet click on the link below. It may help.

 

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First of all I can't think how you would attach a 4mil expander on a hair. Forget the hair and just hook the pellet.

This is a 2mil on a size 18 B611.

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It is too early yet IMHO for banded hard pellet. Water needs to warm up a lot more.

For my guide to fishing pellet click on the link below. It may help.

It’s easy enough to use expanders on a hair rig, if you use a quick stop, thought you would of known that 💁‍♂️💁‍♂️
 

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This might help with preparing expanders for hook bait. You do have to do a bit of trial and error to get the right amount of water to pellets, too little and they will be too dry (hard) too much and they will be like mush and just fall off the hook. Maybe on your first attempt try three different bags with different amounts of water in each - don't forget to mark the bags so you know which is which when you take them out of the fridge. :D

 

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important not to overlook thinks like breadflake or the humble maggot this time of year while its cold.
I know the post is about Harleyrod getting his head around pellets but I agree with the maggot comment and would like to add worm to this thought process. If it is about catching fish......I have watched fish swim past pellets but in my opinion a worm in open water is never going to be ignored by any fish, way too good an opportunity to miss (probably on the basis of if you don't, another fish will) I know what Harelyrod means though, pellets were not around in my early years either, fishing methods may have changed dramatically but the fish are still fish. All depends on what you want to achieve I suppose.
 

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All good advice posted by some experienced anglers on here, Harley. I feel your pain because I was exactly the same........returned to fishing a couple of years ago & had to learn about new baits such as pellets, F1's, different elastics, fishing for carp on the pole. My head was cabbaged (still is!! )
 

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All good advice posted by some experienced anglers on here, Harley. I feel your pain because I was exactly the same........returned to fishing a couple of years ago & had to learn about new baits such as pellets, F1's, different elastics, fishing for carp on the pole. My head was cabbaged (still is!! )
I was quite lucky really as I was already fishing commercials when pellets came in, obviously had to go through all the learning curve though, but every one was in the same boat then 💁‍♂️
 

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I think if you are starting out with pellets I would ask your local shop or the shop at the fishery what size pellet is the best for your target fish. Feed that size pellets as if you were fishing for roach with maggots, ie 5 or 6s each cast to start with the same size expander hooked normally or a hard pellet in a band. Feel your way in to the session and let the fish tell you how much to feed, if bites are taking a long time cut back the feed to every other cast or lower the number of pellets to 2 & 3s and if it’s the opposite with a swim full of piranhas up your feed little by little to maximise your catch rate
 

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This is a good topic, I've learnt some interesting tips on this. I've just returned to fishing from a break due to work commitments and personal problems. In my opinion there's no such thing as a daft question, I'm totally in the same boat and the variety of tackle and methods now are mind boggling. I love watching the old clean river fishing series on youtube with Dickie Carr, Mark Downes, Dave Roper etc they remind me of when I used to fish. Now we have , side pullers, expander pellets, method feeder, pole sock, puller bungs, the list goes on and it has me intrigued. I was told today I need to get used to using a Banjo, I just smiled at him politely as I'm a bass guitar man myself.

No such things as a daft question, this site is great for advice and tips.
 

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After a 30 year break from fishing I'm back and loving it but I'm totally befuddled by pellets. I never had those back in the 80s!

I don't really know what I'm doing. I tried fishing today with expanders, but they just fell off the hook.

I've tried with fishery feed pellets on a band, but got nothing.

Should I soak pellets before using them as hook bait?

I feel so daft, but I just don't know what I'm doing when it comes to pellets.
If you want a tough soft hooker swimstim make them and the stay on very good ,they are not as soft as expanders but are very good .
 

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I find that Sonubaits cold water pellets ,are oily out of the bag and be hooked easily
i used them like that and caught
 
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