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Here is a press release from the Specimen Anglers Association regarding sleeping whilst fishing >>

In January we voiced our concern that Prince Albert AS had apparently chosen to bring in a new rule for all anglers that no one was allowed to sleep whilst fishing. This followed on from the introduction of the new byelaw from the Environment Agency on "sufficient control" of rods, which made it illegal to leave rods unattended, even though the Environment Agency Head of Fisheries Dr David Clarke pointed out that;

"It is up to the individual clubs but this was not the intended interpretation of the unattended rods byelaw. The important issue is whether an angler can respond quickly to a bite, not whether they are asleep or not."

We are now delighted to learn that Prince Albert AS have now clarified their ruling on this, and advised that anglers can sleep whilst fishing.
The key principles they will enforce are;
No angler must have their bivvy door closed
No angler must have their sleeping bag zipped up
Providing these two key points are adhered to we understand fishing whilst asleep is allowed.

Whilst not wishing to intrude on what the club see as an internal matter they wish to see closed, the subject has received considerable media attention and is firmly in the public domain. We felt it right therefore to place the final outcome on record.


Chris Burt
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Never go to sleep when Stu is around, regardless of any releases. As Trev will testify, if you go to ZZZZ's you'll awake to the sound of your buzzers with Stu grinning at you like a Cheshire cat, lol icon_smile_big.gif

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hi dave
how can you say you are fishing
when you are asleep, the fish hooks its self
runs, you wake up to a beep pick up rod, reel in,
sorry but thats not fishing to me
give me trotting a stick float down a river
ie seven, dane, anytime thats fishing
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I put my elbow in Elaines right eye last night!

Well she shouldnt have been so close on the Strike, I thought it was my barbel!

Oh! sorry, I thought this was the Fishing whilst sleeping post and it's the sleeping whilst fishing 1!

Bye


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It ain't no secret how i feel about fishing n sleeping.

If you're asleep how can you be in control of your rods??

Thats all i'm saying .

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100% with Trogg on this 1.

When i night fish i Fish not sleep, if i need to sleep the rods come in it's that simple.

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I agree Malc. Trouble is I miss so many bites people think I am asleep when I'm not.

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I have to ask why a Specimen group has to question the rules a fishing club make. If that club has made the rules at a democratic meeting, voted for by the members of that club surely that decision should be honoured. If any body in the club disagrees then they should leave. If, to fish that club's waters, you have to abide by the rules, then so be it. Don't like it - fish somewhere else.

I am sure if Troggs idea ever got off the ground, and I have my fingers crossed that it does, surely we will be making rules which the majority of members agree on. If you are not one of the majority will you not join?

Personally I do not agree with alarms. I feel to be in complete control you should be by your rod at all times. I have lost count of the number of times I have seen anglers running round the bank back to their swims when an alarm has gone off.

Had my moan for the day, can I go back to planning my retirement please.

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Edited by - Geoff P on 15 March 2002 5:56:00 PM
 

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Hi everyone.
Totally agree with Scouse on this one,stick float on a river !!
When does the season start.icon_smile_sad.gif

cheers jel.icon_smile.gif

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Hi all,

Peronally I think that if you're fishing - fish, if you're sleeping - sleep and don't mix the two.

If you think about it, how many bites are hit sucessfully at the 'twitch' stage and when left don't develop or result in deep hooking. Add into this the sensitivity of alarms and the stretch from mono lines and there becomes an apparant risk of not knowing you've got a bite until the fish has finished 'sampling' the bait and either swallowed it or if lucky become hooked by a 'blow out' rig.

If on the other hand you are using braid, a good blow out rig and super sensitive alarms the risk is lessened but there's still the chance of a greedy one coming along and you've still got to wake up,wonder where you are, get your bearings, grab the rod.....icon_smile_sleepy.gif

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If you go fishing go to fish not to go to sleep nono.gif .
How can you be in control of a rod when asleep.
Is it not illegal to leave a rod unattended while your line is in the water?If it is what does this mean when you are asleep when fishing?
Everybody to thier own style of fishing, i prefere to be in control of my rod not asleep
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Thanks all thats the first time i've said about not sleeping while fishing & NOT been shot down by someone within minutes.

I have always maintained that if you're asleep in your bivvy/tent then how can you be leagally in charge/control of your rods.

Geoff

I am a member of the SAA (specialist anglers alliance Dave)
This group was formally The Specialist anglers conservation group & both myself & Dian joined it for the reason that it was an angling conservation group & we could proudly show "certain" people that anglers do care about the environment.


The club concerned didn't actually ask its members to vote on the ruling they just brought it in & thats what caused the problem, a lot of the members are also members of the SAA & asked the group to help out on getting the ruling overturned but this was all due to the club not explaining it properly.
Hope that helps clear it up for you mate?

Just in case any of you are interested click here for more infomation on the SAA



As for OUR club everything will be put on the forums for the members to vote if the members say no then it will be no simple no messing about this isn't going to be a club where you have some people who you never see telling you what to do.



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Edited by - Trogg on 15 March 2002 10:12:24 PM
 

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Fished last night (fri), tucked up in my bivvie, alarm screamed, 5 seconds later I was playing a 13lb mirror. One run at 12 mins past midnight = one carp on my unhooking mat - also I may add, perfectly hooked in the corner of the bottom lip!

Last friday night (a week ago) again tucked up in my bivvie, alarm screamed, 5 seconds later I was playing a 15lb 3oz mirror. One run at 03:45 hrs = one carp on my unhooking mat (do you know what one is?) - again, perfectly hooked in the corner of the bottom lip!

Can anyone tell me where I have done anything wrong? I HAVE NEVER, REPEAT NEVER, HAD A CARP SWALLOW A BAIT!!

Do any of you carp fish? Do any of you night fish?

Some of you may be happy to sit there watching a float for hours - catch a few 'bits' and skimming the tiddlers in along the surface, then literally 'throwing' them into a keepnet, I'm not - along with many others. Why knock other's particular branch of the sport? There is no need for it.

IF YOU UNDERSTOOD CARP FISHING YOU WOULD REALISE THAT BITES/RUNS ARE USUALLY FEW AND FAR BETWEEN - ARE YOU THEN SUGGESTING I/WE SIT AND WATCH THE END OF THE ROD IN THE DARK ALL NIGHT LONG?

PLEASE DON'T BE SO BLOODY STUPID. LETS FACE IT - YOU ALL KNOCK IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T DO IT! Live and let live!
 

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Ok, with the modern carps rigs ....THEY are all self hooking ie bolt rigs.
We are talking fishing still waters in the main, not rivers so trotting a float has no place in this discusion.
Once again we seem to have reached that point in most fishing discusions.... I dont fish that way or I dont like that etc. So if I dont, then nobody should be allowed to fish that way.
Lets get real why were alarms first designed because the number of bites per session was low or non existent that using them allowed two or more rods to be used so maximum efficency was applied.
If you dont want to use bite alarms then the choice is yours if you do then so be it. No one can concentrate on either a bobbin or a float for 24 hrs. Providing the angler gets himself sorted what is the difference if hes asleep or awake.
I am not a carp angler BUT I want to and do use bite alarms when piking and if a second rod is used. I am a firm belever in observation and using alarms allows me to scan the water for any signs of fish. As well as allowing me to observe the local wild life.
What chance have we of unity if anglers cant or wont be tolerant of other perfectly legal methods.
I for example will not fish commercial carp puddles, that is my choice BUT I do not want them banned or anglers to stop using them. Infact its to my advantage it keeps others away from the rivers and pools I choose to fish.
So, come on be realistic and allow the brothers of the angle to participate in this great sport of ours. Lets support each other in their chosen branch of angling.

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Malc strange how we posted similar replys at almost the same time. Your reply didnt appear till I sent mine. John

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I pretty much agree with Esox.

As long as you adhere to the club/syndicate's rules and you're fishing legally, what the problem? The answer to that shouldn't be "'cos I don't like it!".

Personally I don't like to see double figured (and bigger) carp being bungee'd around a puddle icon_smile_sad.gif, but hey, it's legal so I'll do the right thing and keep my opinions to myself.icon_smile_wink.gif

See y'all,

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Edited by - Sleep _n_Fish on 16 March 2002 11:49:16 AM
 

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Malc B,
Bit strong for an early post Malc LOL, but welcome and thank you for your thoughts.
I have never fished on buzzers at night for Carp, so ALL of my comments would have been irrelevant, which is why I simply posted a humourous comment!
However, i have learnt to fish for Pike with John, Dave, Stu and Martin and each time I have fallen Asleep!!!!
Not deliberately, but sometimes without being able to ask them to look after my rods.
Not once have they been unkind enough to suggest that I am banned from fishing, which I love.
You , probably, attuned to the buzzers and used to Night fishing in the style you love and that has been acceptable for years are probably far more 'fish friendly' than I and God knows, I post enough about my hatred of deliberate cruelty.

Every one of my MD's trips have taught me something and until I feel able to be positive about something, I will support anything that STOPS people dictating BANS on others.

Whilst I agree 100% wiyh many of the pet hates aired, I detest the attitude that says "I disagree, so therefore I am right and I want it BANNED' A BAN is final, allows for no compromise, reasoning, or exceptional circumstances.

A case in point is the BAN imposed on Tins of various catergories on certain waters, as " They cause litter!!!"

NO they do not!, Only discarded tins are litter, caused by people!

Let us take for an example that a small club proposes a ban on the old favourite litter problem of Sweetcorn in tins! Why? God knows, if it,s a small friendly club, no member in his right mind would cause litter anyway!
Does that include Catfood tins?, Beans and Sausages tins, for the Delia Smiths amongst us at the Bankside?
Why Sweetcorn? Whats it done wrong?
The argument that it can be put in another container and the tin left at home applies to every type of tin.
AND why do you have the right to dictate to me that I should spend MY money buying special leak-proof containers to put Sweetcorn in, Tupperware? expensive.
AND what if I decide its not the day for fishing corn? OK it goes in the fridge, inconveniantly taking up space and certainly with a much lower shelf life than it would have had in the tin!
So I end up throwing it away, more waste because of a mindless BAN.

But then, I want to fish the water and I follow the rules! So I arrive with my non-bio degradeable plastic container that takes up twice as much space as a tin and find that the damn thing has split! It's leaked all over my new holdall and I am P----d off.
But no problem! I cant be banned for dumping that, only TINS! so I confidently dump it in the peg as a treat for the BANNERS

Well , I was annoyed with thew Banners anyway! By asking me if I felt that all litter should be banned, they had included me in their discussions and we had total agreement.
By BANNING a part of the problem, they were saying, We are intellectually and morally superior to you and without putting a BAN on this item we know that you cannot be trusted to not cause litter!
Well thanks !

I have deliberately strayed from the sleeping issue, to highlight that on a much simpler issue there are wider implications than most automatic BANNERS realise.
I am not going to pursue Trout, Salmon , Sea or Cat in Spain fishing, but nearly every other aspect of fishing fascinates me and I want to learn off the Guys who do it, before they,re all banned by the people who don't.
THe only thing I cannot tolerate is Intolerance!


It is reported that, on the day that the law on homosexuality was changed, allowing consulting adults to partake of this practice! A retiring Army Major attached to the Cuvil Service arrived home after many years and was interviewed at Heath Row as to his opinion.
" His reply was classic." I don't mind them making it legal, AS long as they don't make it compulsory"


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Hi MalcB, and belatedly - welcome on board,

quote:Can anyone tell me where I have done anything wrong? I HAVE NEVER, REPEAT NEVER, HAD A CARP SWALLOW A BAIT!!



No one has stated that it is wrong or that anglers who sleep whilst fishing should be strung up by their whatsits, only expressed their own opinions on the matter as you have icon_smile.gif
What is often okay for one is not for another which is where we have debate and not necessarily arguments, the general consensus seems to be each to their own but each area of the fishing community has to accept that their will be criticism from others at some point.

I had a feeling that the topic would be a bit contraversial when I posted it icon_smile_big.gif,

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Welcome as well to Sleep_n_Fish icon_smile.gif

Can't understand where you picked your name from icon_smile_wink.gif, Dave

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MalcB in your post you state
quote:IF YOU UNDERSTOOD CARP FISHING YOU WOULD REALISE THAT BITES/RUNS ARE USUALLY FEW AND FAR BETWEEN - ARE YOU THEN SUGGESTING I/WE SIT AND WATCH THE END OF THE ROD IN THE DARK ALL NIGHT LONG?

PLEASE DON'T BE SO BLOODY STUPID. LETS FACE IT - YOU ALL KNOCK IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T DO IT!
Do any of you carp fish? Do any of you night fish?


You also state
quote: Some of you may be happy to sit there watching a float for hours - catch a few 'bits' and skimming the tiddlers in along the surface, then literally 'throwing' them into a keepnet, I'm not - along with many others. Why knock other's particular branch of the sport? There is no need for it.


Surley in these 2 quotes you are contradicting yourself by knocking a part of angling that you dont do !!

I personally Carp fish, Night fish, Match fish & Pleasure fish and have never gone to sleep whilst having baits in the water and never would.

I dont knock Carp anglers for fishing for their chosen species or any one else for that matter. But what does get my goat are the supposed anglers that just because they have a bite alarm think they can wander off around the venue away from their kit (with baits in the water) or be sound asleep in their bivvy with the alarm screaming, and before you say thats not you i'm not saying it is but they are the people that everybody notices and they are the ones that cause the problems.

If your the MalcB from N/hampton you will know Napton Res and you take a walk around there any weekend and you will see what i'm getting at you will find half a dozen bivvies set up all with 3 rods in the water and you will normally find all the supposed anglers sat in 1 of them which means all the other rods are unattended these are the people that cause these type of rules to be brought in.

But to sum it up it's like with every thing in life we all have our own opinions and we all think that in 1 way or another we are the one's that are right.

I think this is one of those posts that if allowed could get out of hand, but it's about peoples views on SLEEPING WHILST FISHING and not KNOCKING EACH OTHERS TYPE OF FISHING.





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