Size 10 barbless rule

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Use whatever hook you can effectively hook fish on and which gives you the best presentation? A size 10 Kamasan will be slightly different to a 10 Drennan so don't over think it 🤷‍♂️
 

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If you're happy with 0.17 and a 16 QM1 stick with it as confidence plays a big part in fishing and swapping and changing can cause untold problems particularly if your confidence is dented.

If I'm feeding 6mm or 8mm pellets I generally start on 0.17 and a 16 MWG. However if I draw well or start catching well I would have no hesitation in stepping up to 0.19 to a 14 MWG s I always have a duplicate heavier rig set up. On meat, it's usually close in work in the last two hours. With this and margin work I'll fish 0.19 and a 14 MWG noting on meat I use a banded hair rig and pull the band into the meat.

On the lead I fish 0.21 to a 14 MWG particularly on Carey.

My approach may sound heavy however Viaduct is a specialised venue where the fish are big and you need to play the percentages game. Unlike most venues you're only fishing for 4-5 bites an hour so when you hook one, you need to get it in.
Thanks. that is worth thinking about. I think I may step up to 14s tp see what happens. It will just be nice to be fishing there again, though if it is anything like after last lockdown, it will be a struggle getting a spot in a match to fish.
 

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I’d probably have Maxima on my reels now if anywhere near me actually stocked it - all I used to use and it accounted for vast numbers of fish
 

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It isn’t the best, but it is very robust, long lasting, and more than up to the abuse from carp bagging 👍
Yeah definitely, there’s thinner (and thicker mind you) less stretchy lines out there but for a mix of robustness, suppleness, knot strength and just general strength I don’t think it can be beaten plus it’s handy how in the lower breaking strains you can make it sink or float. Plus very readily available in multiple spool lengths.
 

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I’d probably have Maxima on my reels now if anywhere near me actually stocked it - all I used to use and it accounted for vast numbers of fish
It's sort of in and out of my local shops as well but it's always available in some form or another in all the big online retailers. I think all of angling direct, bobco, matchman supplies, benwicks, fishing republic, go outdoors always have some of it, just varies who has the widest range of breaking strains and lengths.
 

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It's sort of in and out of my local shops as well but it's always available in some form or another in all the big online retailers. I think all of angling direct, bobco, matchman supplies, benwicks, fishing republic, go outdoors always have some of it, just varies who has the widest range of breaking strains and lengths.
I've settled on Drennan mainline with Guru n-gauge hook lengths which I find are a great combination
 

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I've settled on Drennan mainline with Guru n-gauge hook lengths which I find are a great combination
I like most the drennan lines, particularly float fish, but it's a pain they only come in 100m spools. It's handy that maxima also comes in 300m and 600m which saves faffing with backing. I do use drennan hooklengths the vast majority of the time though.
 

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My go to set up at messingham sands,, 8/10lb middy m tech main line, hooklength of 0.21/0.24 reflo power,, hooks size 10 qm1 for bomb or a 10/12 MWG if need to hook an hold,
 

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For the lead on commercials I'm still using an old bulk spool of 8lb Shimano Black Technium. It mics up at 0.24 diameter, just slightly thicker than 0.21 Reflo Power which mics up at 0.23.

For the pellet waggler, even for big carp at Viaduct, I still use 4lb Maxima main line as I haven't found a line to better it for strength, control and presentation.
 

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Wash you mouth out! Probably more spools of 3 to 6 pound maxima sold than any other line 👍🏻
I used to use it to be fair, but it's too thick for my liking, I like to use the smallest waggler I can get away with. If the big splashers still worked I'd still use maxima.
 

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So the size 2,4,6,7,8 and 9 hooks I use on occasion (matched to baits being fished) would be frowned upon by just about 100% of posters before my post 😲
Never fished a venue with hook size limit - I get the rule but its just more tosh caused by bad anglers/technique.

A smaller hook places more pressure on a smaller area of the mouth.
A large barbless has more chance of rotation if line goes slack.
Most syndicate waters have banned barbless in big sizes due to his but on these venues they are generally fishing at distance with heavy rods/lines.
Most commercial anglers are fishing no more than 16m on pole most of the time or 40m on another methods using kit where line should never go slack (elastic and reasonably soft rods).
 

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I used to use it to be fair, but it's too thick for my liking, I like to use the smallest waggler I can get away with. If the big splashers still worked I'd still use maxima.
The 6lb I use for feeder and surface fishing is thick old stuff tbf but the 3lb I use for float fishing is alright, it's not 0.15 like it says it is but still only about 0.16 which is thin enough for the floats I use.
 

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I use Kamasan Animal size 10 for paste in the margin,for other methods I match the B911 or QM1 to the bait.If Drennan did a continental boilie hook size 10 or smaller I’d use nothing else for all my fishing.
 

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So the size 2,4,6,7,8 and 9 hooks I use on occasion (matched to baits being fished) would be frowned upon by just about 100% of posters before my post 😲
Never fished a venue with hook size limit - I get the rule but its just more tosh caused by bad anglers/technique.

A smaller hook places more pressure on a smaller area of the mouth.
A large barbless has more chance of rotation if line goes slack.
Most syndicate waters have banned barbless in big sizes due to his but on these venues they are generally fishing at distance with heavy rods/lines.
Most commercial anglers are fishing no more than 16m on pole most of the time or 40m on another methods using kit where line should never go slack (elastic and reasonably soft rods).
Ref your comments :

A smaller hook places more pressure on a smaller area of the mouth
You have to look at the tackle being used. A match angler using a small hook, light rod and light line can only apply so much pressure without being broken. A big hook, big lead and heavy rod can apply significantly more pressure. The key to both is to use balanced tackle and good technique this will land more fish quickly and efficiently than heavier unbalanced tackle and poor technique.

A large barbless has more chance of rotation if line goes slack.
Why would the line go slack? If there's no pressure nothing turns. It is changing angles of the rod to gain leverage while playing the fish and the fish shaking it's head, changing direction or trying to dislodge the hook using a weed bed or the bottom that causes the hook to rotate, not to mention the length of the hook shank and width of the gape. Modern micro barbs will make little difference to rotation it's a fallacy. Ask yourself this if you have a hook with a barb and one without a barb and a lead weight banging up and down on a stop, giving a jack hammer effect, what happens at the point of pressure/impact i.e. the hook hold? Which hook leaves the hole cleanly causing least damage? The smart money would be that the barb being banged about acts like a saw whereas the clean hook is more likely to come out during the fight hence the reason why some speci anglers still don't like using barbless. If you apply enough pressure to a barbed hook, it will rotate exactly the same as a barbless, the only difference is one hook will leave a cleaner wound than the other.

Most syndicate waters have banned barbless in big sizes due to his but on these venues they are generally fishing at distance with heavy rods/lines.
Answered above, however the further you fish out, the heavier the lead and rod, the more chance you have of bouncing a barbless hook out. Some anglers should think more about the mechanics, rather than how many fish they may or may not land. Trout anglers used to have the same arguments however after switching to barbless very few have gone back because the actual amount of lost fish due to barbless hook pulls isn't as high as some think.

Most commercial anglers are fishing no more than 16m on pole most of the time or 40m on another methods using kit where line should never go slack (elastic and reasonably soft rods).
The only time slack line should come into it is if a fish snags you, when you take the bail arm off and wait for it to swim out from the snag. Slack line at any other time is simply bad angling/poor technique. The difference between softer more progressive rods and stiffer rods is simply you can apply pressure more effectively using the whole blank which is like a big sponge, making it much less likely to suffer hook pulls or breakages when using light tackle, however the tackle has to be balanced and appropriate for the swim and size of the fish being targeted.
 

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On waters with the 'size 10' rule, I use the Kamasan B911, be it either the standard B911, or if it warrants it, the B911 X-Strong. Both eyed for hair rigging.
C’mon now Peter. Tell us the truth. You’ve got shares in Kamasan haven’t you ? 🤣🤣

Tell you what Peter. And it’s only fair. If you catch a cat from Messingham with our Sly this year I’ll buy you 15 packets of Kamasan B911 of your choice. How’s that for motivation ? I ain’t tying them for you though. You can do that ya sen. 🤣🤣👍
 

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C’mon now Peter. Tell us the truth. You’ve got shares in Kamasan haven’t you ? 🤣🤣

Tell you what Peter. And it’s only fair. If you catch a cat from Messingham with our Sly this year I’ll buy you 15 packets of Kamasan B911 of your choice. How’s that for motivation ? I ain’t tying them for you though. You can do that ya sen. 🤣🤣👍
Game on. :p :giggle:

Eh? an angler that can't tie hooks? I suggest you spend some of this lock-down time learning. :LOL:
 

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It isn’t the best, but it is very robust, long lasting, and more than up to the abuse from carp bagging 👍
1.5lb maxima was the go to line for waggler fishing on rivers, it’s still a brilliantly versatile line
 

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1.5lb maxima was the go to line for waggler fishing on rivers, it’s still a brilliantly versatile line
Yes mate as I said above I’ve got it on all my reels apart from my Basia, for baggin wag 👍👍
 
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