Simple Bolt Rigs

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It all depends on the club rules re rigs

A lot of bream rigs involved creating a twizzled boom and the feeder in a knotted loop

I am never sure about helicopter rigs but feel they are safer than a lead clip
 

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Tbh their lakes are not wide and work so well with a tangle free method helicopter rigs not needed
 

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It all depends on the club rules re rigs

A lot of bream rigs involved creating a twizzled boom and the feeder in a knotted loop

I am never sure about helicopter rigs but feel they are safer than a lead clip
All my clubs ban the loop method as it constitutes a fixed lead/feeder rig
 

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Even the paternoster Bream rigs are banned nowadays... it was a great method in its day but with the amount of carp in fisheries now its a bit of a liability, hence why its banned on most waters
 

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I use this modified clip. Clip cut off and the friction on taper is enough for bolt effect but no chance lead not separating in event of a break
 

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solwood

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Same here. Use one of those rigs and you're gone.
That's tough, and not allowing education though

I can assume its clear on your tickets or club books

We had a couple of gents turn up having only sea fished, many rules broken but because they knew no better

They were happy to be educated so taken to onsite shop, appropriate tacke to tie safe rigs bought and they carried on fishing with greater knowledge. It wasn't deliberately done they were just novices

I have been told by head bailiff first rule of bailiff duties is education not kicking people off !
 

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I reckon if heli rigs got banned on my waters (I hope not) then I would use the Drennan Inline Bolt Rig Feeders with a short hooklength.
 

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I'm not a fan of Heli rigs... the Dink Dink rig relies on a fixed hooklink with float stops above the hooklink and the carp heli rig relies on the upper bead sliding off under the weight of the lead... sadly too many folks think a tight upper bead means a better bolt effect which negates the safety aspect of the whole rig, if the upper bead doesn't move, the rig is a deadly one... the only safe rig is a running rig
 

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That's tough, and not allowing education though

I can assume its clear on your tickets or club books

We had a couple of gents turn up having only sea fished, many rules broken but because they knew no better

They were happy to be educated so taken to onsite shop, appropriate tacke to tie safe rigs bought and they carried on fishing with greater knowledge. It wasn't deliberately done they were just novices

I have been told by head bailiff first rule of bailiff duties is education not kicking people off !
Yes, it's clear in the members book, club rules, and there are notices up around the lakes. There are no day tickets as it's members only, so there is no excuse for not knowing. And if all that wasn't enough, there's always someone at the lakes they can ask if unsure.
I'm a firm believer in trying to educate, but some won't listen or try to blatantly break the rules.
 

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If there was an actual furore about heli rigs and not just a few comments on a forum it would send shockwaves through fishing. It's not just a go to specialist rig but it's practically replaced the old paternoster rig for distance Bream and Silvers fishing advocated by people like Lee Kerry et al.
 

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Tie a couple of stop knots on the line, enough resistance to create the bolt affect but leave the tag ends an inch long.
 

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It's up to the club or venue ultimately.

Helicopter isn't free running, neither is paternoster so both would not be allowed on some of our waters.

Just looked at the drennan feeder also would not be allowed on Marsh farm as not free running.

If the club allows it then no problem, but if it says free running that's what it has to be

Many matchmen reccomend elasticated method feeders, banned in both my clubs

Remember Lee Kerry decisions are based around efficiency and winning
 

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I use a heli rig on pools and rivers and with stops holding the tube in place.
The tube slides to a buffer bead that covers the weight link.
The two stops are barrel type and if the rubber bead pulls off the tube (does easily) it will pass over the stops.
The hook length swivel is the large bore type and without the top bead also passes over the stops.

Bizarrely on the snaggly Lower Severn in two seasons I have not lost any feeders or weights fishing this way yet have lost a few on running rigs.
 

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i use a 1 to 2.5oz inline square lead with the insert removed and then put a tail rubber over the swivel and then lead pulled onto the tail rubber, gives enough resistance to create the bolt effect but then slides up the lins and off the rig tubing, critically with no insert even if i cracked off and there was a knot or line tangle there is a 5mm bore through the lead that would allow it to pull off (hopefully). Thats always been my preferred way of fishing. personally if naked chop and helicopter rigs are allowed then so be it, i wont use them but if the rig is allowed then its allowed, same as elasticated feeders, never used them but if allowed then allowed!
 

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same as back in the day anglers using powergum through a top kit when pole fishing in snag city and dragging fish out, not for me so never did it. If i was fishing to snags then it was locked tight with gripper butt rests and sleeping under the stars by the rods if fishing overnight
 
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