Secretive Techniques

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Specimen hunters, normally carp guys, are notoriously secretive. I think due to the big carp only being caught once a year or less. They don't want the one capture going to someone else

Carpers? Secretive?? No mate, Just because I've caught them into their 30's on some lake I can't remember the name of on a bait that's readily available from somewhere or other doesn't mean it's secretive. :whistle: :giggle:
 

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We had a guy in our match team that wouldn't let on what he was doing... I had to have a chat with him as team captain... he got told to either be open about methods or baits or take a walk... I pointed out that he fished as part of the team or not at all...
(it came to a head when one match he was struggling and tipped back and went home.. his fish would have scored points and because of him we lost the match... he never fished for us again)

You ger slippery sorts in every avenue... by far carpers are the worst, (I should know... been doing it for 40 years?) as rigs baits and locations are kept locked down tight so they can get the bigger fish and the Kudos and rewards...
 

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have fished non disclosure lakes, perfectly fine with me as those are the rules but everyone still hears on the grapevine.

Still have a few match tactics that i was shown by some really good fisherman and a top team which ive never seen documented anywhere and i will never let on about, theres always the very latest tactic or secret that people keep close to their chests, you cant blame people as certain things take a lot of effort.

ive done the same finding a tactic that works and not telling anyone for a few matches and even then i will only tell my brothers, see nothing wrong with little secrets/edges as long as they dont break the rules!

on a side note its amazing what you can learn by sitting with a angler or using a pair of binoculars from the other side of the lake! but i wouldnt expect any angler to tell me all their edges
 

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I would suggest that specimen carpers can be very secretive, but pikers even more (about venue, not rigs). Pike don't deal well with pressure, and also are often less 'known' fish. Given the amount of time and leg-work tracking down decent piking spots is, it isn't something that tends to get shouted about.

In terms of club rules, one of the two I'm in has a zero publicity rule. They have an excellent Facebook group within the society, and plenty gets shared on that (but by no means everything!), but thou shalt not share beyond that.
 

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have fished non disclosure lakes, perfectly fine with me as those are the rules but everyone still hears on the grapevine.

Still have a few match tactics that i was shown by some really good fisherman and a top team which ive never seen documented anywhere and i will never let on about, theres always the very latest tactic or secret that people keep close to their chests, you cant blame people as certain things take a lot of effort.

ive done the same finding a tactic that works and not telling anyone for a few matches and even then i will only tell my brothers, see nothing wrong with little secrets/edges as long as they dont break the rules!

on a side note its amazing what you can learn by sitting with a angler or using a pair of binoculars from the other side of the lake! but i wouldnt expect any angler to tell me all their edges
Perhaps my experience on matches is 30 years out of date - when I was fishing at the top end.
Maybe it was more innocent times.
One of our team (Rob Hewison) had a regular feature in Match Fishing. He didn't hold anything back (albeit perhaps a few months out of date info due to publishing timescales) - but we were confident that we could execute better than the other teams on our patch anyway.
 

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Perhaps my experience on matches is 30 years out of date - when I was fishing at the top end.
Maybe it was more innocent times.
One of our team (Rob Hewison) had a regular feature in Match Fishing. He didn't hold anything back (albeit perhaps a few months out of date info due to publishing timescales) - but we were confident that we could execute better than the other teams on our patch anyway.
That's the thing ,they can share their ideas and techniques but some of them have top notch skills and can execute it to perfection ,the rest of us try but will never match their sublime skill . Most of us anyhow ?
 

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I will admit to having two "secrets" but as far as I can think I share everything else. As has been said, if you can do it better than me then you deserve the credit and rewards. That way of thinking came from attending a talk by Roger Black the athlete (I got to hold one of his Olympic medals). His ethos was that he trained the best he could. If on the day someone ran faster than him then they deserved to win, accept it and move on/train harder.
 

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Nearly all the local syndicates are non disclosure or you need to jump through a load of hoops to get a capture publicised. I can understand that.

Match anglers can’t keep secrets? As soon as we get back to the group and we’ve done half decent we can’t wait to tell everyone exactly what we did to catch so much?. We just can’t help ourselves.
It’s a bit different in team fishing. I used to fish division 1 and some of the secrecy during practice week was hilarious. We knew most of the Essex County squad but during practice week they used to get so cagey. Fun times. Mind you, they were a serious team whereas we used go just for the beers.
And yeah,the top class anglers didn’t need to keep secrets.
 

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Nearly all the local syndicates are non disclosure or you need to jump through a load of hoops to get a capture publicised. I can understand that.

Match anglers can’t keep secrets? As soon as we get back to the group and we’ve done half decent we can’t wait to tell everyone exactly what we did to catch so much?. We just can’t help ourselves.
It’s a bit different in team fishing. I used to fish division 1 and some of the secrecy during practice week was hilarious. We knew most of the Essex County squad but during practice week they used to get so cagey. Fun times. Mind you, they were a serious team whereas we used go just for the beers.
And yeah,the top class anglers didn’t need to keep secrets.
I cant keep a secret to save my life as far as fishing is concerned unless its match day . I would tell anyone everything after if they're nice ,the moody ones would get to know nothing ?
 

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within the same team the info is shared of course, fully agree with that but def not outside of the team for as long as you could keep it a secret. One of the reasons i loved my team fishing, any secrets i had whilst fishing with a team i would share with them

Perhaps my experience on matches is 30 years out of date - when I was fishing at the top end.
Maybe it was more innocent times.
One of our team (Rob Hewison) had a regular feature in Match Fishing. He didn't hold anything back (albeit perhaps a few months out of date info due to publishing timescales) - but we were confident that we could execute better than the other teams on our patch anyway.
 

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have to disagree there a bit, most top anglers have little edges as they are always looking for them to keep them ahead of the game, thats what makes certain anglers so bloody good as they can think like a fish, a lot of edges will be documented once they have been used for a few months or the rabbit is out of the hat so to speak, but at that point the guys are already working on the next thing.

for example i fished open matches for years alongside some really good anglers and one in particular he always did well on our winter league venue, and i had a few bashings off him but we always chatted on got on great, but i only learned some of his secrets once we were in the same team together. and i was told if i ever shared a secret he wouldnt tell me anything else ever again so certain people will try and keep their edges as long as they can and i can full appreciate that
 

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sorry ment to add the quote

Nearly all the local syndicates are non disclosure or you need to jump through a load of hoops to get a capture publicised. I can understand that.

Match anglers can’t keep secrets? As soon as we get back to the group and we’ve done half decent we can’t wait to tell everyone exactly what we did to catch so much?. We just can’t help ourselves.
It’s a bit different in team fishing. I used to fish division 1 and some of the secrecy during practice week was hilarious. We knew most of the Essex County squad but during practice week they used to get so cagey. Fun times. Mind you, they were a serious team whereas we used go just for the beers.
And yeah,the top class anglers didn’t need to keep secrets.
 

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As a child of 8 I was fortunate enough to sit with my late hero Mr Ivan marks himself as he fished a match for the blocks on the Trent and came away a far richer and better angler for the experience.
R.i.p and god bless Ivan you are sadly missed.
 

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As a child of 8 I was fortunate enough to sit with my late hero Mr Ivan marks himself as he fished a match for the blocks on the Trent and came away a far richer and better angler for the experience.
R.i.p and god bless Ivan you are sadly missed.
Just a brilliant fisherman. My take on things is learn as much as you can from as many sources as you can ,then get out and practice and practice more and more. I dont go out no where near as much as I should do .learning feeding rates when and where water craft choice of bait, what line dimensions and suitability ,hook size feeder choice ,float choice ect ect ,these all make a huge difference and can change from day to day on the same venue . All of these can be learnt by watching to a certain extent but in my opinion you need to get out and do it over and over again until its second nature.Thats what separates the good to the average angler . These top anglers practice over and over again ,when the hold a rod or pole it's an extension of their body and they seem to know exactly when to change something . Learning swim choice ,even down to correct plumbing up and whether to fish over depth ,just off ,higher in the water or change tactic completely is made to look so easy. Practice makes perfect or as perfect ,not saying I or anyone else will ever be as good as the top anglers but you will improve .
 

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You always get one!

One of my close specialist 'group' was a brilliant fisherman and you could never catch more/bigger than him on a particular water. But he had a terrible habit of always getting to the water first -so that he could choose the best swim. It got really annoying after a while - but I guess it was just his competitive edge.

Another of the 'team' had a predeliction to talk - which in the closed shop days of the 90's was a potential disaster.

We used to meet in the pub or curry house every week to plan out campaigns and he had to endure several 'stiff talkings to' - to get him to keep his gob shut ! He did write regularly for the Angling Times at one stage - so that was a slight problem. He is still my best mate today - so I did get over it!
 

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Nearly all the local syndicates are non disclosure or you need to jump through a load of hoops to get a capture publicised. I can understand that.

Match anglers can’t keep secrets? As soon as we get back to the group and we’ve done half decent we can’t wait to tell everyone exactly what we did to catch so much?. We just can’t help ourselves.
It’s a bit different in team fishing. I used to fish division 1 and some of the secrecy during practice week was hilarious. We knew most of the Essex County squad but during practice week they used to get so cagey. Fun times. Mind you, they were a serious team whereas we used go just for the beers.
And yeah,the top class anglers didn’t need to keep secrets.

Haha so true! Whenever I do well on a match you can’t get me to shut up for the next hour about what I did ?
 

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Haha so true! Whenever I do well on a match you can’t get me to shut up for the next hour about what I did ?

Same as when I won the match at Smeatons. I told everybody AFTER I won it what I was using. Those home-made Tiger Nut and Pineapple castors certainly did the business. :whistle: :LOL:
 

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Haven't carpers always been a secretive bunch? Otherwise the angling world would be much more familiar with the names Benithan Court Lake and Bradford Pool. Instead we know them by the names given to them by the renowned author and angler B.B, to keep them a secret from the world. Redmire and Beechmere were names conjured up to hide the locations from the world.
 

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I belonged to three clubs in the Colne Valley all of which had publicity bans, I fished for carp for nearly 40 years.I have many times fished alongside supposedly 'famous' carp anglers who had written carp books, magazine articles etc who were absolutely useless! Conversely I have known carpers who could catch carp out of a damp sponge who kept their catches quiet.

There are (to the best of my knowledge) both rigs and bait which have never been put in print.

Now I am more than content to just fish for roach!
 

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I ask the locals who fish the waters I'm going too ,they normally tell me what's working then it's up to me to fish to the best of my abilities ,yes they do beat me regularly But that's down to them having better water skills and going in to the smallest detail more than me ? I do frame sometimes but that's more down to luck than judgement .
 
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