Rod licence

Lachojski

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With all the anglers getting pulled up for not having a rod licence how many of you have been asked to produce your rod licence for a bailiff or a fishery owner?
In 20+ years Iv never been asked at a fishery to produce my licence for a bailiff or fishery owner.
Obviously they don’t ask because it’s less profit for them but isn’t that part of the problem or adding to it,if fishery owners arnt asking them it gives anglers who don’t get a licence a free pass to keep going bk.if they started asking then most would be forced into buying them,obviously the ea wouldn’t be happy with it as it would be less money in there pockets.
 

Lachojski

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Shouldn’t fisheries and the ea be working together to put a stop to all illegal fishing?
Maybe start fining fishery owners or clubs if they don’t check,it would stop a lot of illegal fishing.
 

Lee Richards

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It's not a fisheries responsibility to ensure the customer has a licence neither is it a car dealers, television retailers etc.

Business is business and very few can afford to turn away customers knowing others may be more than willing to not have responsibility.
 

Racehunter

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I really don't see the problem of fisheries asking to see your rod licence at the time of paying your peg fee.

When I arrive at a racetrack to test the car, I cannot go on track without showing my valid race licence and if I have booked online and as such, paid up-front, I would lose my, not insignificant testing fee, if my licence was not produced or not valid.

We know the rules and abide by them
 

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I would imagine that the track owners have a higher level of liability insurance and responsibility than a fishery owner and it's this that means they requires certain assurances.
They are also not dealing with the same numbers every day.
Let's not forget for every Lindholme Lakes there are a dozen or more one man band pools and clubs who own numerous flowing waters fished by members they never see.
 

Lachojski

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And there ms the problem ppl turning a blind eye because of money.if fisheries asked to see them there will be lesser need for the ea to do there rounds and can concentrate on others that fish illegally.
Fishery owners and bailiff have plenty of time to take your money so why not ask for a licence.a crack down like this will have a positive effect on illegal fishing for those anglers that buy decent tackle to fish but not a £30 licence.
Turning a blind eye is part of the problem in my eyes.it night sound harsh to those who owner fisheries but they should do more.
If fishery owners did checks it would mean less ea plodding about on fisheries and they could deal with reports of Eastern European’s illegally fishing.how is that a bad thing?
 

fasteddy

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Had mine checked today, last time was just before last Christmas (both on the same river).
As for fishery owners asking to see a licence, as already stated, it's not their responsibility, and their hardly likely to turn away paying customers, and even if one did, those fishing without a licence would just go somewhere where the owner was less scrupulous.
 

Racehunter

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I would imagine that the track owners have a higher level of liability insurance and responsibility than a fishery owner and it's this that means they requires certain assurances.

There is liability in all areas of our daily life, and all providers of public access 'areas' have as a minimum, a duty of care under H&S law. So, let's take a worst case scenario. Unlicenced angler, casts a large lead towards the far bank, where another angler is setting up. Due to a line snag, lead snaps line and the lead, now a free flying missile, hits the other angler between the eyes. He drops to the floor, but unfortunately doesn't recover and dies. The 999 call will not only bring the ambulance service but they automatically send details to the police who also attend. The police are duty bound to report to the relevant H&S authority, be that local council or HSE. Subsequent investigation, finds landowner guilty of not ensuring eligibility of all anglers and he is prosecuted. Deceased anglers wife, puts in a claim against both landowner and unlicenced angler, however the landowners insurer will not accept the claim, due the the HSE findings, and the unlicenced anglers household insurance, which has public liability cover, is rendered null and void with the insurer refusing to settle the claim, due to the act of fishing unlicenced. So, wife of deceased angler issues a civil claim, bankrupting both the landowner and the unlicensed angler.

It might sound farfetched but it is an entirely plausible set of event. My business helps other businesses to minimise H&S and product liability and I have seen similar chains of events reported in my industries specialist publications.
 

Lachojski

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Had mine checked today, last time was just before last Christmas (both on the same river).
As for fishery owners asking to see a licence, as already stated, it's not their responsibility, and their hardly likely to turn away paying customers, and even if one did, those fishing without a licence would just go somewhere where the owner was less scrupulous.
The ea is trying to cut down on illegal fishing and everyone is happy when ppl are getting caught but to stop illegal fishing would t the best step be for all fishery owners to ask if they all asked it would stop illegal fishing because they would have nowhere to go.saying it’s not there responsibility is strange,as a fishery owner arnt you suppose to be against illegal fishing?weird
 

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A lot of people fail to take their license when they go fishing. When the EA check licences they are able to ascertain whether a person holds a license or not. A fishery owner can’t do that.
 

carpole

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Get rid of licences and levy tackle bait and day tickets like the betting industry everyone pays.Only trouble is probably same people buying nicked tackle.
 

Greenwood_15

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A lot of people fail to take their license when they go fishing. When the EA check licences they are able to ascertain whether a person holds a license or not. A fishery owner can’t do that.
..... which is in contradiction to the rules when purchasing the licence and is clearly printed on the front (albeit @ the Bottom,) of the licence itself that you must have the licence with you when fishing; so the EA could argue they shouldn't even have to check if you have oe at home, you have no licence on the day, you get fined.
 

Lachojski

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If they fail to take it to the fishery they don’t fish.some ppl fail to take money with them should they be able to fish for free?
I’m one of the most forgetful ppl going but always have my licence and membership book.
 

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Been asked by the EA man on the bank of a popular lake once a couple of years ago.

Never been asked apart from that, and been fishing 30 years, but I've always had one.
 

warrington63

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As a club bailiff i check both club card and EA licence, Its in the club rules that both must be in members possesion when on club waters whether fishing or not, If cannot produce them the member is told politely to leave the water, A few commercial fisheries near to me ask to see EA licence before issuing a day ticket, they then make a note of name and number and put initials of fishery in box on EA licence.
 

warrington63

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If you wish to join a club i am in online, you have to give details of your EA card when applying for membership. No details, no membership, also there is a box to be ticked stating you have read and understood club rules, again no box ticked,, no membership. It may be the same when you wish to join via local tackle shop.
 
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