- Jul 21, 2009
All time size 18 and 20 hooks for chub either 1.7lb or 2lb1oz perlon hooklinks.
Yep 18 to 2.5lb is my standard and I'll go down to 18 to 2lb occasionally (very occasionally 20 to 2lb) which sometimes make a bit of a difference but not a massive difference. I catch well enough on 2lb and 2.5lb to have not bothered with sub 2lb for years. If it's so hard that I can't catch well on 2lb I'm not sure I want to bother!I rarely, if not ever go below a 2lb hooklength
presentation is more the key, as is noted above, if your after shoal fish and trotting through, the quarry tend not to get a great look at the offering, especally if its in the flow with loose feed, the way you work the float in the current gets me more bit
Mac, do you think there are now two rules of thumb ... for hair rigged /banded baits and “hooked” baits?I have radically altered my thinking in the past 20 years. Fish in commercials are caught time after time after time. Yet they are still caught, in Winter, on hair rigs where the whole hook is showing.
So, like mickthechippy, I think that presentation is nearly always the key, and that the size of hook will often not be important, provided it suits the size of the fish (rather than the size of the bait, which was always the perceived rule).
Agree, with the caveat that it’s really difficult to tie small hooks to thick line, hence some semblance of Balance is required.Watching Chub in clear streams shows they are more sensitive to bankside disturbance and the size of the hook, plus how the bait is falling, and whether it's in tandem with free offerings. I'd actually put line diameter low down the list as long as it's supple especially if the compromise is losing fish
Mac, do you think there are now two rules of thumb ... for hair rigged /banded baits and “hooked” baits?
i do agree that weight of hook is more important than size for presentation.
I agree that there are days when it matters and definitely days when it doesn't (talking about single maggot and size of hook example).The bottom line is that it appears to me that having a hook sticking a long way out of a bait is often (probably not always) no bar to a fish taking that bait.
Small roach are often fished for with, say, a single maggot on a 20 or 18, yet they will happily take a single maggot on a size 14, when lots of hook is showing, provided they can get it into their mouths. Even a bunch of four dead maggots on a 14 - which is a standard bait for carp in summer - leaves lots of hook showing.
I can only go by what I have seen, of course. As I have posted many times, attention to one single aspect of presentation will not do much good unless everything else is working well. So having a hook stick out is now low on my list of worries.
If I am fishing small baits like maggot, caster etc then my starting point will be a size 20 Mustard 90340 to either 1lb or 1.5lb hook length , if bites are hard to come by I will then scale down to a size 21 or 22 to 12oz hook length or if the fish are really having a go or some larger chub make an appearance then I will scale up to a 19 or 18 to 2lb hook length. Try watching a bait go through the the swim with different size hooks and line you will be really surprised at the difference between a size 18 to 2lb line and a 22 to 12oz line and the faster the river the more pronounced you will find the difference.
That session taught me to not panic, and have the confidence to play larger fish when accidently hooked on light gear, or when conditions dictated the use of lighter gear. It also taught me that there are few 'hard and fast rules' in angling, and to be prepared to adapt to the unexpected.