Removal of fish - to stop littering !!!

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No sympathy what so ever , makes me laugh when people go on about free fishing and how they can’t afford to go anywhere , but then again are happy to spend Money on gear .
 

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As of Wednesday last week according to Maidstone Angling and the website MVAS are still fully subscribed and closed to new membership.

Of all the local clubs I would think of joining would be Kingfisher who have the lake complex at the back of Snodland since they look the best for my son to learn on - problem with that though is they have a waiting list of over 300 names !

If it all goes totally pear shaped at Neville Park then other than plenty of free river stretches on the Medway and it’s tributaries we’ll probably day ticket Mousehole or Monks - maybe Mote Park at a push.
 

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No sympathy what so ever , makes me laugh when people go on about free fishing and how they can’t afford to go anywhere , but then again are happy to spend Money on gear .

Sadly I’m not one of those - bare minimum gear comes from charity shops and FB marketplace
 

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Fished the park lake again today - I’ll put a report on later but it was a stunning session - an old local was dog walking and stopped for a chat about the lake. Turns out there was an article in the local free paper detailing that the water will be netted in January (because of litter, anti-social behaviour, etc) and the lake turned into an “eco pond” whilst the fish will be relocated to the £600 a year specimen lake over the road :rolleyes::mad:

Dumbest idea in the world - it will still be a magnet for all the adolescents who congregate there now & the only thing that won’t get dumped is the odd bit of line.
 

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Yesterday proved my point that the councils actions will not work.

The three pictures below show the lake - 95% free of litter - as myself and one or two others clear the pegs we fish on. The weather has turned Baltic so the only people on the water are actual anglers, myself and one other.

It‘s going to be like this for the next couple of months, as long as the weather is cold / wet.

On my walk back to the car through the park however was a group of 8-10 youths on the kids play rides drinking, eating takeaway food, smoking ‘herbal‘ cigarettes and leaving a shed load of mess on the ground despite there being 2 empty bins within yards of them.

Once the fish are removed will the council remove the kids rides or the benches ?

Will they heck and yet the very issues they hope to tackle will remain and probably expanded in their distribution.


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Watcha Taff, A few minutes bike ride from me is Singleton lake, several acres and well worth fishing. This was free fishing until the
local club took it over. Good job too as the council were on the verge of banning angling.

Example, I walked around the lake about 10am, three comatose teenagers around the remains of a broken pallet bonfire, beer tins
all over the shop along with a now silent ghetto blaster. The fishing tackle was something out of their grandad`s shed the sort of
thing that people used on piers way back when. It does not take many instances like this to galvanise local residents into {justified}
action.

This is me {poor photo I`m afraid} fishing a pond at Burgh Heath {Surry} in the fifties close to where my Grandfather lived. Again free
to fish up until a few years ago when it was netted to stop night anglers. I understand fishing is now banned full stop, all because of
idiots.

I can understand people moaning about the lack of free fishing but in my view any fishing that is free only takes an anti type council
to pass a couple of by laws and that is an end to it, not so easy if it is controlled by a club. A while ago I think it was you said MV had
a waiting list, I understand they are now accepting new members, very good club.
That little pond in Burgh Heath and the removal of it's fish, and ban on angling is very contentious. Because it's a place of angling significance. It's the pond that Chris Yates caught his first ever carp from, as a young boy, and inspired him onto greater things. He writes about it in 'Casting At The Sun' and 'A Passion For Angling ' and references it in the television series. So it's loss to the fishing world has been strongly condemned, not least by Mr Yates himself.
 

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That would deprive others though and lose a wildlife haven.
Ban angling for a while and if the litter is still there it will prove it's not anglers.

Now that's a forward thinking move, and could work very well. Sadly many councils will not engage with the public unless forced to.


We had a wonderful old blue fir tree on our old peoples estate. It looked amazing until it was broken in the wind in 2018. I phoned the council and they simply did not want to know, not really our responsibility. "Well you empty the rubbish bins there and cut the grass" I told them the tree was in distress and needed attention, and I would do it if needed. They still put up an opposition to that, so I wrote a piece in the local paper, and quoted the Council statement. The tree has now been repaired over a year on and hopeful will last another 50 years or more. Sometimes you need to name and shame local councils? I feel for you buddy, losing a local resource, I think antisocial behaviour deserves much heavier penalties. There is no excuse for little a £500 first offence and name in the local paper should help?
 

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Unfortunately this is problem is becoming more widespread. It is not just "youths" who drop litter as this has been a problem in our countryside for decades. I actually saw a middle aged couple dumping an old mattress into a hedge recently. Unfortunately I was unable to clock the registration on their car (a pristine looking range rover) as i was driving and to have stopped would have made it obvious what i was doing.
With respect to fishing venues, there is a nice pool on the River Soar, where the backwater re-enters the canalised section after diverting around the locks not far from where i live which is not under the control of the society that has the fishing right from the main towpath, and hence can be fished for free. The towpath and surrounding country park are popular with dog walkers etc and so there are rubbish bins etc around. However, around this pool, there is always piles of bin liners with beer cans, takeaway containers and all manner of other rubbish. I was told that groups of people, mainly east europeans, (i am not being racist when i say this it is just what it is) gathered there at night fishing and partying. Not only do they leave their rubbish behind, but they take any fish of a decent size they catch for the pot. This pool holds a decent head of large perch, some Pike and a few decent Bream as well as Roach and the odd Chub. These people are never to be seen during daylight, partly, i suspect because they are taking the fish and in most probability do have EA licenses (whilst no-one owns the rights here, the EA do occasionally do licence checks in the area).
I understand that fishing for the pot is a cultural thing, indeed I have on occasion been asked why i am returning my catch to the water when chatting with East european anglers or passers by when fishing, what is far less acceptable, is the total disrespect for the countryside and its enjoyment by others of those who cannot be bothered to take their litter home with them (just don't don't get me started on people who decorate trees with their doggy poo bags). This seems to me also to have gotten worse during lockdown.
Personally i do not blame local authorities for closing places if people cannot use them properly
 

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I attended a council meeting yesterday evening (virtual) having lodged a letter of objection.

In the last two months I’ve fished the lake every week and spoken to a wide selection of anglers, park users and local,residents. All agree that fish removal will not alleviate the problems but rather is likely to worsen them as the responsible anglers are having a moderating effect.

The rubbish issue is slowly improving with rubbish in gathered piles (not perfect but better) or removed completely by ‘proper’ anglers litter picking because they cannot afford to lose this resource.

Following a lengthy discussion with me the council has decided to not do anything for the next 3 months, to review at that time and if the current new level of engagement continues then they may place all fish removal plans on long term hold & review.

I am quietly hopeful and will continue to fish the lake and drive change as much as I can.
 

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This is the old example of anglers being pigeonholed for litter. Were it in a park with no water they wouldn't remove the benches, were it on a beach(say Brighton) they wouldn't remove the fast food outlets, were it dog poo bags they wouldn't ban dog walking, etc etc. Lazy morons leave litter not anglers, lets not being pigeonholed so easily
 

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I attended a council meeting yesterday evening (virtual) having lodged a letter of objection.

In the last two months I’ve fished the lake every week and spoken to a wide selection of anglers, park users and local,residents. All agree that fish removal will not alleviate the problems but rather is likely to worsen them as the responsible anglers are having a moderating effect.

The rubbish issue is slowly improving with rubbish in gathered piles (not perfect but better) or removed completely by ‘proper’ anglers litter picking because they cannot afford to lose this resource.

Following a lengthy discussion with me the council has decided to not do anything for the next 3 months, to review at that time and if the current new level of engagement continues then they may place all fish removal plans on long term hold & review.

I am quietly hopeful and will continue to fish the lake and drive change as much as I can.
That's cracking news @OldTaff , at least a reprieve.
 

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We get three months breathing space - that puts us in March before they can plan extraction if they haven’t changed their minds but that will run into spawning season (fairly sure they can’t do anothing during that) so maybe another couple of months after that too to keep making a difference.

Most importantly I’m fishing it tomorrow :giggle:
 

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This is the old example of anglers being pigeonholed for litter. Were it in a park with no water they wouldn't remove the benches, were it on a beach(say Brighton) they wouldn't remove the fast food outlets, were it dog poo bags they wouldn't ban dog walking, etc etc. Lazy morons leave litter not anglers, lets not being pigeonholed so easily

Too true

Since the drop in temperatures a month ago the lake has very few people fishing it, those who do are ‘proper anglers’ and the drop in litter as we clear the pegs after us is immense & I think why we have a mini reprieve.
 

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Seems to me that anglers are being persecuted as a convenience, not through any desire to identify and deal with the source of tyhe littering, which ios not anglers at all in any real sense
 

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There's also an element of the council deflecting criticism there, I know many areas where they have cut back on litter crews yet are still rolling out other projects which make no sense. I know those are different departments but allocating the funds to clearing litter be it our recreational areas or filthy streets should take precident over some of the things councils spend their money on, cycle lanes that don't work, yummy mummy cafes in parks, the annual jolly up in the EU town the council have twinned with - It's usually somewhere pretty decent for a jolly up, funny that eh?

They should grant those locals who are volunteering to clean places like you OldTaff with a council tax rebate and free bin bags/grabbers, I bet there's loads more who would help clean up with a little incentive around the country, seems a no brainer given how filthy this land of our is
 

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There's also an element of the council deflecting criticism there, I know many areas where they have cut back on litter crews yet are still rolling out other projects which make no sense. I know those are different departments but allocating the funds to clearing litter be it our recreational areas or filthy streets should take precident over some of the things councils spend their money on, cycle lanes that don't work, yummy mummy cafes in parks, the annual jolly up in the EU town the council have twinned with - It's usually somewhere pretty decent for a jolly up, funny that eh?

They should grant those locals who are volunteering to clean places like you OldTaff with a council tax rebate and free bin bags/grabbers, I bet there's loads more who would help clean up with a little incentive around the country, seems a no brainer given how filthy this land of our is

Have a litter pick stick and bags come from work so no cost to me - will hopefully pop over tomorrow for half hour to pick, no fishing sadly.
 
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