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The Unite boss with whom I dealt with before I retired, rolled up in a brand spankers Audi Q7...(bought, not leased, cos I asked) nice work if you can get it...
And I was immediately disillusioned with some of the union practices after my first round of conferences as an FOC for SOGAT,
SOGAT 82 and latterly The GPMU... Lynch stepped away from the table before exhausting the negotiations... he's out of order bruvvers
 

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exactly the whole bloody world is modernizing and changing to adopt new and better technologies, processes and practices. Some of the posts in here are just so god damn daft, people are still living in the bloody 50s! everything has to become greener, efficient, consume less, cost effective, faster, cheaper! its a common goal of the world and every job is impacted by change from dustmen, to teachers, to care workers, to surgeons, to police, to factory workers, to mariners.................to everyone!
 

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Even the supermarkets are getting rid of a shedload of till cashiers for machines that do it automatically... I won't use them as its doing someone out of a job... everything is getting slicker, faster... think its a process called Lean Sigma... or some other fancy name.. Kaizen is another process my old firm used to modernise stuff
 

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But what will those staff no longer needed in the drive for efficiency do?

They need salaries, to eat, pay for housing, buy stuff . That keeps others employed

Who is the lean green dream better for other than shareholders.

I beleive in capitalism, but within limits

Oh if I had leverage as a union or employee I would use it for all its worth
 

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lol what did people do when the industrial revolution came?, what did people do when robots replaced all car manufacturing jobs?, what did people do when nuclear power plants came along?. Just because people lose their jobs doesnt mean things cannot change, its part of life, ive lost my job before, you adapt and get a new job. there will always be jobs for people to do.

People have to adapt, i have to learn new skills all the time otherwise i will be left behind and would not be needed, this is the same for anyone, you have to continue to learn and adapt
 

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same as i tell all my nieces and nephews, look for a job you love but also consider the future, what is needed today may not be needed tomorrow, so if you are ok with that and prepare for it then perfectly fine but you have to consider the future! look at what you like doing then look at the top 10 jobs needed in that field, that will give you some guidance and its interesting to see how skills and things you like will cross over into other jobs you never considered but always look at the skills gaps now, those are the skills that are most in demand.

That is why i chose IT, massively broad skillset but always needed and always adapting to learn the newest things needed.

so if you want to be a train driver, then great, as long as you know in 10 years maximum your job will be redundant but that doesnt mean you cant be a train driver today and learn a new skill set to adapt in 5 to 10 years! if you want to build railroads then great, make sure you learn the latest and greatest technologies and tools for doing that as learning how to wave a flag or shovel will be redundant in five years.

And you have to invest in yourself! i have spent more than £30k on training myself, no way was any company going to teach me the latest things if i am not using them, you have to invest time and money into yourself to keep your skills relavant
 

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But what will those staff no longer needed in the drive for efficiency do?

They need salaries, to eat, pay for housing, buy stuff . That keeps others employed

Who is the lean green dream better for other than shareholders.

I beleive in capitalism, but within limits

Oh if I had leverage as a union or employee I would use it for all its worth
Got made redundant after 20 years at a solvent coating plant that made plotter/draughting films got a plain paper printer...? Then you took my job away... modernisation happens everywhere, I used my chemistry qualifications to get a job as a lab technician... I diversified... everyone has to do summat different, the days of a job fer life are gone... get over it
 

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Remember 2 stories from my youth.
Mate got apprenticeship at British rail Newcastle. He used to clock in on Friday night at 7 pm . Then come out on the pee till 11 pm then go back into work.
And another who’s part of his job was a line walker. He used to take a small portable tv to work. If there was 4 working that night or that shift. 2 would do the walk. 2 would stop in cabin watching tv.
Even his lass would drive up to where they were for a big of slap and tickle.
 

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Been made redundant 5 times worked in 3 different sectors private(IT) voluntary , and local government.

I guess my experience tells me that it'd mot always easy to change job, and as for investing 30k on your skills you can only do that if you earn enough. Does someone on minimum wage have spare money to invest in themselves no.

That is more than my annual wage for much of my working life and almost my current salary oh and more than the jobs I am looking at.

I understand of course it was not spent all at once.

It does feel that some of the responses feel change and loss of jobs s a positive. I don't, I want real people supporting me, serving me, helping me get through gates

I don't want automated cars, trains etc

Overall The impact of the train strike is lessened by the fact so many can wfh. Don't forget you don't get paid when on strike so they do lose pay and usually never recover the loss in real terms
 

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The rail companies were given billions of pounds of our money, hundreds of pounds it cost every person, to stop the railways going to the wall during Covid. Only for those rail companies to then post £500m profits and dish out bonuses, pay rises to top brass and dividends to shareholders. All whilst shaming the employees for wanting a below inflation pay rise.
 

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I do hope the union leaders forgo their paypackets while their willing workers are on strike and forfeiting their wages. I would guess none of them.
 

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lol my fist full time job at 21 was 4k a year, you never heard of saving money and not having holidays or getting lashed so you could save money and better yourself.

You seem to have a excuse for everything! been made redundant twice myself and taken 3 jobs i hated so i didnt have to sign on, anyone can improve themselves.

i never earned over 35k till i was 27 and that was working in london with a 4k train ticket bill each year so again anyone can save.

who said you wanted automated cars? AI/ robots? we all do not want things, i want no more wars, no more famine, no more cack tv shows based on so called reality or people on benefits lazing at home, theres a millions things we dont want but it happens! that is part of the evolution of the human race........good and bad!

lol look at animals and how they have to evolve or die, how plants do the same, how mother nature acts to right the wrongs we have done, you cant stop it no matter if you want it or not

Just because people work from home doesnt mean its right for those who strike, what about all the people who have to work? who have to travel? who are drs and nurses, what if you had a family member in hospital waiting for a life or death operation but the surgeon cannot get there today as there is a train strike, that is ok is it?

There are plenty of people who need jobs, sack the people on strike and give someone a job who wants it not someone who thinks they are owed it!!!
 

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"But what will those staff no longer needed in the drive for efficiency do?
They need salaries, to eat, pay for housing, buy stuff . That keeps others employed'

That was Labours mentality in the 70s and to some extent still is.
Because of it they set UK manufacturing back 20 years and it is this that is one of the reasons we lost large sections of industry to foreign competition.
 

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same as now, people have access to more information, training, and self learning material than ever before! one of the great things the internet has brought is loads of educational videos, presentations, books etc that are all free and accessible to all!

adapting is never easy, i have spent thousands of hours reading and revising, i have passed over 80 exams and failed at quite a number as well, i wish i had access to the tools we have now 20 years ago! its amazing what you can learn online and the number of free courses out there, just takes a bit of effort to find them but thats the hard bit i spose, people need to want to change and learn and not just accept what life is.

Same as my sis in law boyfriend here, he works in IT the same as me but only for 12 months and doing web front end stuff and he was asking me about what i recommend and what i did and i told him that what i do and knew is now out of date for him! his skills need to align with what is coming so we worked together and wrote down what he liked and disliked, what the pros and cons of his work is now, what his strength and weaknesses are and then we looked into what he would like to do and researched online and identified what he wanted to learn and looking at the skill gaps he is now doing self learning for free on programming languages, he wants to be a full stack developer but even now he is learning the basics and following this learning will then decide if he will specialise in one language or more and if he wants to do devops or focus on cloud or hybrid but now he is excited and has a plan for at least the next 12 moths to better himself and learns skills he knows are in demand and will be in demand or can evolve in the future.

All for free and in his own time, even though he has a 2yr old! all these excuses about it costs too much is BS in this day and age to be perfectly frank
 

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My lass went from being Clinton Cards property maintenance manager got made redundant and went to a little admin job to make ends meet, now she's a data security analyst... you learn different skills as you go through life... I'd hesitate to say it, but maybe some of the bods in the railways antiquated and archaic setup would struggle in the job market as they've had it so easy for so long yet learned nothing...
 

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exactly the whole bloody world is modernizing and changing to adopt new and better technologies, processes and practices. Some of the posts in here are just so god damn daft, people are still living in the bloody 50s! everything has to become greener, efficient, consume less, cost effective, faster, cheaper! its a common goal of the world and every job is impacted by change from dustmen, to teachers, to care workers, to surgeons, to police, to factory workers, to mariners.................to everyone!
Bankers are not immune either. Cheque useage is way down from when I was in the clearing arena. I guess there are far fewer staff in my old building now. And branches are closing all over the place,. The latest I have heard is Barclays closing the branch in Melton Mowbray, a busy and large market town.
 
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