POLE FISHING FOR BEGINNERS

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GOZZER

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HI Guys,i know there is a lot written on pole fishing and some great advice given but to anyone new to pole fishing a lot of the advice is just not right because it gets too technical.

I started pole fishing a few years ago now and one thing i found out was just how heavy and awkward these can be to new comers,wrong elastics,lines and poles them selfs not being right is all to common when starting out pole fishing so having a thread that covers the very basic understanding of buying and using a pole is important.

I wrote this article for another site a wile ago and thought i would take the liberty of putting it on here in the hope it might help those NEW in pole fishing understand the basics and in turn for them to make the right choice when buying a pole and setting it up the right way.

As with all my advice it is only a guide so that must be taken into account.

I hope someone finds this of use and if there is already enough threads on this subject then please delete this thread if you feel the need to.

Thank's tight lines!














I have been pole fishing for a few years now and although i don't know everything about pole fishing like match fishing for example, i still think i know enough to try and pass on a little information that might just help anyone that is taking up pole fishing for the first time.

Pole fishing is not as difficult as it might look and the first thing that might put you off is the main thing, the pole. What is the right pole for you the beginner? Well i have heard it said so many times now that it is the money, what you can afford that counts, that i have become brainwashed into believing that is the truth, when in fact it is not. Yes you have to keep within your own budget that is only common sense but if you have say 500 to spend on a pole would you spend all of that on one just because it looks the part? Well if so that would be foolish, you have to start with the right pole and one that is over 11 metres is not ideal for beginners. Why? Well lets take a few things into account here, the weight of the pole is vital for you to fish comfortably with and anything over this length will weigh heavy to a beginner, not a very good start.

One thing you must do is ask yourself, how often will i use ALL my pole length? Well just ask any match angler how often they use all there 16/17 metres of pole that may have cost as much as 2000 or more? Answer - not that often. In fact it is more than likely that no more than around 11 metres is used at the most. Yes there are exceptions to this like venue you are fishing when you need to find the deep water that so often is in the middle of the pool/lake or that all important island feature that is just that little to far for the 11 metres i state, but over all a 11 metre pole is a happy medium and one i would always suggest for a beginner to use first. Now i will contradict myself a little here by saying that the ideal starter pole should not be more than 8 metres and that means a margin pole. These are heavier but they are the best starting point in pole fishing because it gives you better understanding of the pole. Weight and stability are so important but so too is strength and no pole is stronger than the margin pole because it is built for just that purpose.

So understanding the weight of a pole is very important and in my next section i will go into some detail on the weight of poles at there maximum length. It will only be a guideline and all weights are in metric weights and what i will also add in to the coming section is elastic ratings and shot converting as well as pole floats but may i just point out that all this is only a guide and not a must do.



Here i will give you table of pole lengths and weights but before i do it is important to remember that poles fall into four categories, Match, All round, Carp and margin. These are the areas they fall into and although they may be the same length they do vary a lot in weight because of the thickness of carbon used in the make of the pole and that means strength not just to catch bigger fish. Don't be fooled into thinking that, but more so for the Elastic that the pole can take but we will go into that a little later.

Here is my table of pole weights but remember these may vary from manufacturers makes but overall this table is not far out.....

MATCH POLE
11mt/650g
13mt/850g
14.5mt/1050g
16mt/1300g

ALL ROUND POLE
11mt/800g
13m/1000g
14.5mt/1200g
16mt/1500g

CARP POLE
11mt/900g
13mt/1100g
14.5/1300g
16mt/1800g

MARGIN POLE
7mt/600g
8mt/700g
9mt/850g
10mt/1000g

You can see by this table that the weights go up as the pole gets shorter and fall in to other areas of fishing like the 9mt margin pole is the same weight as the 13mt match pole that being 850g but the main thing is that the shorter margin pole will be better than than the longer match pole simple because it is shorter and easier to use for the beginner,you have to take in to account the balance of the pole as well,now this is down to preference because what feels good to your friend might not be to you so when buying a pole try and sit on a seat box and feel the pole at full length if possible then and only then you can judge how you feel with it but i have to say you can not do this in all tackle shops.

There are other factors that have to be taken in to account as well as weight and balance when using a long pole and that is weather conditions,no one can say what the good old English weather is going to do and if you are new to pole fishing then you will find one thing out very quickly and that is how the wind can play havoc with you when fishing at distance and that is another reason why you should not buy a pole over 8/11mt when starting pole fishing,learn to handle a short pole first and when you feel confident enough to go up to a longer pole you will reap the rewards for the time taken.

In my next section i will deal with the pole elastics and main line used to elastic ratings,these are again in metric and once more only a guide line.



Pole elastics come in mainly four groups solid,latex,hydro and hollow and you could add duel core to this list but mainly the last three i mentioned are in the same category and have very similar ratings so lets start with solid elastic,this is by far the most common used in pole fishing and it is the best used as well because it will cover nearly 90% of your pole fishing needs but one question is asked far more than any other and that is how far does it stretch well as rule of thumb it will stretch to about five times it's length before it bottoms out (hits it's limits).

Latex is pure elastic that has not been coloured and is more stretchier than solid and it is no great surprise that many match men prefer this to solid because of the extra stretch it has but it is not so durable than solid so it has it's down side.
Hollow elastic is by far the most stretchier of them all simply because it is hollow but variations of this have come on to the market in resent years those being Duel core and Hydro with the later being the most popular of them,Hydro elastic is a hollow elastic that has a fluid in it, this helps with the strength and helps the elastic recover after stretching,it is by far the most stretch elastic you can buy and can stretch as far as 10 times it length but it is also the most expensive,you do have to watch how you use this make of elastic because of it's stretch it will allow fish to go much further than solid so snags are always at the back of your mind with this make however the stronger grades are more useful and thicker than solid elastics so you need to use these with your power top two kit and not your match,you will need a much bigger stonfo connector as well.


One mistake that many new to pole fishing make is to use the wrong line to elastic being used remember that your elastic has a breaking point and if your line is much greater than the elastic then it is the elastic that breaks and not the line,now this means not only will you have to re elasticate your pole but you have also lost your rig as well and more importantly than this the fish you hooked is now carrying a line,float,stonfo and elastic around with it and it will get snagged up and die as a result so it is so important to get your line breaking strain right to the elastic you are using,now elastics start at a very low rating as low as a number 1-3 now these should never be used unless you are bit fishing on canals because they are so light and the line you have to use is very fine and has a thickness of no more than 0.06mm that is around 8oz break (now that's thin) but as you go up the grades in elastics so the line thickness goes up as well until you reach the heavy 20 plus elastics and these can take 8lb main line with ease although i would not go any higher than a 10lb main line and that would be with the big stuff elastic for carp over twenty pounds.

Knowing the venue and the species in it is very important because this will decide what elastic you should use,if the venue only has silver fish in it and go to 3lb max then maybe a 6-8 rated elastic would be fine but if very few go to that weight then go down to a more forgiving elastic like a 4-6,now F1 carp are all the rage these days and as such these can grow to 5/6lb in weight on some venues and give a good fight so it would be better to use a number 10 maybe again it is preference but common sense rules the day.
Here is a table of elastics and line and hook length strength all are in metric and are only a guide there are variations to these but these are the common used......
[results]
ELASTIC-------------MAIN LINE------------HOOK LINK

solid mm mm
1-2 0.07--0.08 0.05--0.07
3 0.08--0.10 0.07--0.09
4 0.10--0.12 0.08--0.11
5 0.12 0.10--0.11
6 0.12--0.14 0.10--0.13
8 0.14 0.12--0.13
10 0.14--0.16 0.13--0.15
12 0.16 0.14--0.15
14 0.16--0.18 0.15--0.17
16 0.18 0.16--0.17
18 0.20--0.22 0.18--0.21
20+ 0.22--0.25 0.20--0.24

HOLLOW

6 0.10--0.14 0.08--0.13
8 0.12--0.16 0,10--0.15
10 0.12--0.18 0.10--0.15
12 0.14--0.20 0.12--0.17
14 0.16--0.20 0.14--0,19
16 0.18--0.22 0.16--0.21
18 0.20--0.24 0.18--0.23
20 0.20--0.26 0.18--0.24 [/results]

You will notice that the hook length is weaker than the main this is the safety element involved in the set up so if you get snagged it is the hook length that breaks off and not the whole rig set up.

What i have tried to do in this section is to try and make it clear how vital it is to have the right elastic and line set up in your pole fishing,next it will be the shots that you use on your line,this is another area that confuses many so i will try and keep it simple.....



Weights for pole fishing come in different sizes and names from, the standard shots, to stotz, to stylez, and all are different and vary slightly in weight. Most, if not all floats, these days are weighted in grams and knowing what your shot weighs is important so you can get the best possible presentation. So here i will put a table with the common size shots, styles and stotz in the hope it will help you to understand the shotting patterns and weights.....

SHOT SIZE
SSG---1.6g
AAA---0.8g
BB---0.4g
1 ---0.24g
4 ---0.17g
6 ---0.10g

STOTZ
8---0.063g
9---0.049g
10---0.034g
11---0.026g
12---0.020g
13---0.012g

STYL
12---0.064g
11---0.048g
10---0.038g
9----0.025g
8----0.017g
7----0.010g

These tables are guides only and there are slight differences from makes of shot but over all these are not far off the mark.

I hope you find this helpful in your quest to get used to pole fishing....yes there are so many other things that you need to know and have, but getting off to the right start is so very important and the right place to start is with the right pole and set up.....tight lines.
 

dstev

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Great information, could do with going through and looking at punctuation mate, bit difficult to read. Good stuff though!
 

GOZZER

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Sorry about that but my English is not as good as some but i do my best,Thanks!
 

Donfish

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There's some valuable info in there Gozzer,thanks for taking the time over it. [:T]
 
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