Overgrown Rivers.

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I've been for a walk down the river Trent at Swarkestone today with a view to fishing it soon. It used to be very popular years ago but hardly anyone fishes it now. But, it's little wonder as there are loads of fallen trees and very little space available to fish from. Years ago I can't remember it ever being so overgrown. I'm just wondering who would be responsible for clearing the undergrowth? I can't imagine the controlling club would be able to do the work as some of the trees are huge and are in the water. If left, the river will become unfishable. Would the EA ever step in and clear it or will it be just left ??
 

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Is it owned/controlled by a club? if so, you could report it to the club. If nothing is done, then report it to the EA. Initially, it's down the the club to clear it.
There is another option, but it's not often done. get a work party together and clear it, then give the bill to the club. The reason this isn't done often is that the club very rarely pays for the job done, claiming they weren't approached before the work was undertaken.

If you report it to the EA, then make sure you give the stretch of river, how far the undergrowth goes along that stretch (use peg numbers if they are there), and any other info you think you might need.
 

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Would be a really big job for the club to do, even if they did have the experience and the manpower, there's loads of clearing required.
 

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Would be a really big job for the club to do, even if they did have the experience and the manpower, there's loads of clearing required.

It's a fair comment, but look at the amount of income they're losing by anglers not being able to fish it. If it's club run, then they still have to pay for the lease etc. and in that lease there will be a clause that says it must be kept tidy and safe.

The first thing is to find out about that stretch. The local tackle shop should have some details on that.
 

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It's not just a case of clearing it but also what would you do with all the debris you have cleared?
Just dumping it on the bank has the potential to cause further problems later on if there are other floods.

Also don't see how billing the club would work as you have no rights to do so on waters the club is responsible for and thus the authority to sanction.
 

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There's a chap who hangs around in a local tackle shop that kindly took it on himself to cut down an overhanging tree on my local weirpool. It was the depths of Autumn and river running cold. He climbed a tree, tied a rope to the branch, and cut it down with a saw. I was fishing at the time on the other bank. Splosh it went right in the middle of the river only for the rope to come loose. He ended up stripping to his boxers, wading out into the weir and trying in earnest to retrieve said branch. He didn't manage to get it back and it's made a downstream eddy in the peg now. But apparently he take responsibility for maintaining this bit of (council owned?)river.
 

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Also don't see how billing the club would work as you have no rights to do so on waters the club is responsible for and thus the authority to sanction.

And that's one reason why I said it very rarely works. Insurance is another reason.
 

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As I mentioned before, we were two weeks away from exchanging on the house with the green garden shed, unfortunately, it all fell through at the last minute.
It sits on the River Ivel, which was one of the top Barbel waters in the country, and I had visions of fishing from the garden.

This is what the river looks like now over the summer. I would have been devastated.

Incidentally Richard Walker spent his last years living in the same close, a few doors down.

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If it was some small river or a stillwater, I'd volunteer to do it myself. But, It's the Trent, the trees are massive, there used to be pegs where there now are none. It would be a massive undertaking to bring it back to its former glory. Surely that's a job for the rivers authority ??

I do work parties for our local club, we couldn't tackle this job.
 

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If it was some small river or a stillwater, I'd volunteer to do it myself. But, It's the Trent, the trees are massive, there used to be pegs where there now are none. It would be a massive undertaking to bring it back to its former glory. Surely that's a job for the rivers authority ??

I do work parties for our local club, we couldn't tackle this job.
Not sure how interested in angling some of the authorities are. The EA were talking about returning the Ivel to it's natural state and removing the weirs, which would have ruined the fishing on a lot of stretches. It's hard to believe, that at one stage, the river was navigable for another five miles upstream of where I took the pictures and barges used to come down the Ouse from Kings Lynn and switch onto the Ivel at Tempsford.
 

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Arch is it up or downstream of Swarkestone bridge ? Sounds like a job for a small boat and a JCB to drag the fallen trees out of the river. It may be possible to sell the trees to a local sawmill if there was a competent club member with a chainsaw that could take the branches off.
 

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Caneoing from Bridgnorth to Arley on the Severn earlier this year it is 90% overgrown save for a few spots. I have always wondered the same thing and think maybe the BAA or EA or whoever is responsible could do more. When I was a member of a junior angling club we had one day out doing light work on the Warks Avon but nothing like what's required here.
 

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@Arch This seems to be a complex issue which I'm not in a position to comment about.
Restricted flow does seem seem to benefit juvenile fish but very much hinder common day angling.
There lie it the conundrum......
 

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Arch is it up or downstream of Swarkestone bridge ? Sounds like a job for a small boat and a JCB to drag the fallen trees out of the river. It may be possible to sell the trees to a local sawmill if there was a competent club member with a chainsaw that could take the branches off.


Upstream Kev, not far from the pub. Basically from the bridge for about half a mile I'd say. Both banks are badly overgrown in places.
 

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Upstream Kev, not far from the pub. Basically from the bridge for about half a mile I'd say. Both banks are badly overgrown in places.

If it's not an area that get's fished much the club may overlook it in favour of more popular places.

That said Arch if both you and I can fish it and not catch there can't be any fish at all in that stretch - QED :) (y)
 

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Have the trees fallen over into the River, but still attached on the bank or floating in the river ? It's definitely worth alerting the club and asking them to contact the EA amd/or the British Waterways Board if the club can supply the manpower the EA or BWB may supply the equipment, although it is likely that a club member may have to complete a Risk Assessment Report or complete some form of training. You more than most will know that nothing happens unless elf & safety is satisfied, after all we have to look after the elves. :D
 

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Ultimately it's down to the clubs and anglers to be pro-active and keep the bankside growth in check, while it's still of a size to be done with loppers or a small chain saw, when you've got a tree full length in a river/lake you're usually talking specialist contractors if it's possible at all. I fish a lake that the club owns, the few members who deal with the tree growth are criticised about clearing willow growth on the dam leading to the car park and about why we haven't c;leared the beech that has fallen into peg 68, strangely they are also the people who don't turn up for work parties - I pay for my ticket what else do you want!
 

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i agree zerkalo. years ago the baa used to organise bank clearing parties with members from each affiliated club . this was generally carried out during the closed season and seemed to me to work well .but i think that stopped due to insurancies, accidents etc. also i think that there are a lot less anglers fishing the rivers which in turn leads to the banks becoming overgrown. bit of a catch 22 really
 

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There is a stretch of the Trent near me in Sawley known as the polo fields controlled by the soldiers and sailors club which was totally unfishable till this season. The club and a local tackle shop owner organised clearing away years of neglect, sorted out the pegging and successfully ran matches on it for the first-time in years so it can be done.
 

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Isn't that stretch at Swarkestone controlled by The Pride of Derby club? I last fished it in 1977 when visiting relations nearby. The club's bailiff came along and sold me a day ticket and advised me to just run a stick down the near margin. I was pinging out chub all day on cubes of Double Gloucester. A wonderful day. Is the Pride of Derby club no more?
 
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