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Lee Richards

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Spot on Smiffy and it's this blanket blame on otters that does anglers no favours.

We need to concentrate on factual evidence and only proportion blame where it is true
Cormorants take smaller fish
Otters have predated on Barbel.

These should be our focal points
 

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It was from a couple of sources I trust that Mink are at the park and have been seen with one Crucian. If it was half of the other people at the park I wouldn't have believed it.
 

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It was from a couple of sources I trust that Mink are at the park and have been seen with one Crucian. If it was half of the other people at the park I wouldn't have believed it.
That’s a shame and I must admit I made my points based on the thread title rather than your post. I apologise.
There is nothing to say the fish wasn’t already dead when the mink got it though. East Anglia, at one time, probably had the largest population of Mink on the bank. Even then the damage they did was minor. Water Voles and bird life suffered much more. Thankfully I haven’t seen a Mink for several years now.
I have knee jerk reactions when I see Otters. They are eating my fish🤬. But then I manage to snare a few fish and it’s all good.
The bad days happen when I pick the wrong day or when an Otter swims through and kills the swim stone dead. When a swim dies like that it tells me that the fish know what to do now. Disappear 👍
What winds me up is talking to anglers on the bank or seeing Facebook posts from anglers that accuse Otters of destroying a venue with nothing to back it up. It doesn’t reflect well on angling.
 

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I must admit the FaceBook posts come across as a bit knee jerk but what else do you expect on there? :LOL: I'm not really specialised enough to make any political calls about it, more of a simple minded "That's a shame, a dead fish". If there's only small stocks of fish in a venue to start with it's a bit of a shame no matter how a fish dies. I'm normally the one to call out knee jerk reactions based on media hyperbole as well. (y)

I'd say rather than angling pressure the biggest threat to the park is the ageing and small stock of Crucians perishing in one way or another.
 

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I must admit the FaceBook posts come across as a bit knee jerk but what else do you expect on there? :LOL: I'm not really specialised enough to make any political calls about it, more of a simple minded "That's a shame, a dead fish". If there's only small stocks of fish in a venue to start with it's a bit of a shame no matter how a fish dies. I'm normally the one to call out knee jerk reactions based on media hyperbole as well. (y)

I'd say rather than angling pressure the biggest threat to the park is the ageing and small stock of Crucians perishing in one way or another.
Crucians are a funny old fish. They seem to go one of two ways.
They either go crazy and you have a pond full of stunted fish or they just gradually disappear over the years.
The second option seems to be what happens to most venues but I learnt to fish on a venue like the first. They are the archetypal farm pond fish👍
 

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Here’s a question.
Do we expect too much from natural venues?
A good question. I've made a thread before about managing expectations as it gets a bit difficult when you've had 100lb of Tench in a session and a nearly 4lb Crucian so far this year. But generally I prefer natural venues as it's as simple as enjoying that kind of challenge. It's not all hunky dory on the ones I have available though. I've also made a thread about there being no such thing as a fishing 'Utopia', just ups and downs.

Crucians are a funny old fish. They seem to go one of two ways.
They either go crazy and you have a pond full of stunted fish or they just gradually disappear over the years.
The second option seems to be what happens to most venues but I learnt to fish on a venue like the first. They are the archetypal farm pond fish👍
I really hope they do breed but the smallest I've had out is 1lb 8oz and that looked as old as the other fish. They've stocked some smaller ones in, only a few, but although they haven't shown yet, I hope they do ok, and maybe just keep stocking it. It's got to be either the genes of the fish that were stocked or the conditions of the lake, or a bit of both why they've grown so big?
 

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A good question. I've made a thread before about managing expectations as it gets a bit difficult when you've had 100lb of Tench in a session and a nearly 4lb Crucian so far this year. But generally I prefer natural venues as it's as simple as enjoying that kind of challenge. It's not all hunky dory on the ones I have available though. I've also made a thread about there being no such thing as a fishing 'Utopia', just ups and downs.
I don’t know. My days of fishing for numbers of fish are gone for the moment but I get the impression of disappointment from many anglers. My initial reaction is “What are you expecting?”
To me the fishing, generally, hasn’t deteriorated over the years. Anglers expectations have often become unrealistic.
 

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I've sensed the same from anglers on the Severn, one chap was moaning to me he'd only had 1 small Barbel and two 'nice' Roach (could have been 2lbers for all I know!) from Arley as he'd travelled from Wales to fish it. It's not every day you can do 40 or 50lb on the Severn so it's a case of making hay while the sun shines for me. Especially at the park, as I should also say, apparently there was 'no such thing' as Crucians at the park until 3 years ago when they started to show. Even the chap in the tackle shop who used to run the Old Bear Club that run the lake looks a bit bemused when I mention my Crucians to him, let alone the Tench, as several years ago it used to be predominantly Bream.
 

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On the Severn, I was chatting to angler who was peering down at a peg.

"What you doing?"
"Looking for footprints!" He replied.
"Oh to see if someone's fished it?" I asked
"No. Otters!' was the reply.
 
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