Not fishing anymore because of guilt

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Just had a thought that popped into my head.
As I mentioned in another post, I took my nephew and son fishing yesterday. Only my nephew's second time on the bank.
I can't remember how the conversation started but was on the subject of the hooks hurting the fish. He is 10 but is quite grown up so I was trying to explain both sides of the fish feeling pain when hooked debate.
His exact words were "they don't seem to be in pain". The words of a child who had no influence either way from me.
Just thought I'd share that in this thread.
 

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I’m not sure opening the livebait issue for discussion on this thread is particularly helpful. If Tupperware is struggling with the ethics of coarse fishing it’s not the best thread to raise what is a very controversial subject at best. If he is contemplating taking up fishing again he is not likely to come across livebaiting on a regular basis and probably needs to understand there are a lot of anglers who wouldn’t dream of doing it (including me).

Experts continue to put forward the case that fish do not suffer pain when they are hooked along with lots of evidence. They do clearly resist being reeled in and appear stressed by the fact they are caught. I have experienced loads of fish thrashing about in the net which keep still while you unhook them. It is as though they know that ultimately you are going to help and not harm them. Also when you release them they don’t seem all that stressed so I am sure they quite quickly forget the experience. I don’t think fishing, as performed by responsible anglers is cruel at all. Most antis have never been fishing and know very little about it tbh.

Dig out your old tackle buddy and get out on the bank. The best way to decide is to get out there and give it a good go.
 

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Hi, I am 28 and I have been following this forum since my mid teens (under different names). I last went fishing about 5 years ago. Since university I started to feel guilty about hurting animals so stopped fishing and have flirted with vegetarianism and veganism since then. I still want to go back to those great times of my youth where fishing gave me so much happiness, but i've been influenced by so much stuff since then. I'll be honest and say that I am worried about being seen as a bad person for 'abusing animals'. I've began to hate the concept of 'using' animals in any form. Yet the spark for fishing never died; it was a part of my childhood.

Recently i've reached the point where I want to start fishing again. I still remember the thrill it gave me and nothing will ever remove that. I'm wrestling with the animal rights issues and fishing still though. A lot of you older gents (or ladies?) will say its all nonsense, but please look at it from the perspective of someone who is in their twenties and the kind of ideas that are commonly held among us nowadays. Can any of you help me with this?
You must do what sits and feels right for you and you alone. Remember your peers and ideology from your Uni days may become history, some no doubt already have. You have your whole life ahead of you and you must not find yourself in your old age looking back thinking I wish I'd done this and that.

Rudyard Kipling's poem If sums life up perfectly;

If—​

BY RUDYARD KIPLING

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!
 

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I’m not sure opening the livebait issue for discussion on this thread is particularly helpful. If Tupperware is struggling with the ethics of coarse fishing it’s not the best thread to raise what is a very controversial subject at best.
It is only as controversial as some people want to make it.
 

spooky1966

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Hi, I am 28 and I have been following this forum since my mid teens (under different names). I last went fishing about 5 years ago. Since university I started to feel guilty about hurting animals so stopped fishing and have flirted with vegetarianism and veganism since then. I still want to go back to those great times of my youth where fishing gave me so much happiness, but i've been influenced by so much stuff since then. I'll be honest and say that I am worried about being seen as a bad person for 'abusing animals'. I've began to hate the concept of 'using' animals in any form. Yet the spark for fishing never died; it was a part of my childhood.

Recently i've reached the point where I want to start fishing again. I still remember the thrill it gave me and nothing will ever remove that. I'm wrestling with the animal rights issues and fishing still though. A lot of you older gents (or ladies?) will say its all nonsense, but please look at it from the perspective of someone who is in their twenties and the kind of ideas that are commonly held among us nowadays. Can any of you help me with this?
I have a idea maybe a bit silly, but why not just take your tackle down to the river tackle up but don’t use a hook, i no i get mesmerised by just watching a float trundle down a river plus the fact you are still sitting in lovely surroundings and enjoying nature may get a bit boring though but i do remember watching John Dean on the Trent once on the stick but not catching and it was still poetry in motion
 

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My view is there are far too many people out there influencing young minds to a way of thinking that suits the influencer...may be the best bet for you will be to stop seeking advice, stop listening to other people, stop asking for permission and start thinking for yourself, do some research of your own from many sources then digest it and make your own mind up, if you are comfortable with the idea of angling then carry on, if not then stop but only you can really make that decision
Well said
 

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You must do only what your comfortable with ,I rely heavily on angling for my mental health and the benefits are huge so its not negotiable .Its impossible to live as a human without harming every living creature you have to accept that .Try and focus on the positives .good luck
 

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You must do only what your comfortable with ,I rely heavily on angling for my mental health and the benefits are huge so its not negotiable .Its impossible to live as a human without harming every living creature you have to accept that .Try and focus on the positives .good luck
That’s very true!

Even the Bhuddist monks have been harming elephants for centuries.
 
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