Not fishing anymore because of guilt

ukzero1

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I wouldn't feel guilty about it mate. The ones who should feel guilty are the ones keeping fish out of water for longer than is needed and other thoughtless acts such as using barbed hooks on a venue that doesn't allow them, (caught 2 members using barbed hooks on the club lakes this morning). Just a little thought behind your fishing and you'll enjoy it. :upthumb:
 

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I wouldn't feel guilty about it mate. The ones who should feel guilty are the ones keeping fish out of water for longer than is needed and other thoughtless acts such as using barbed hooks on a venue that doesn't allow them, (caught 2 members using barbed hooks on the club lakes this morning). Just a little thought behind your fishing and you'll enjoy it. :upthumb:
I noticed the drainpipe outside your bedroom window is loose again Peter. 🤣🤣👍
 

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The way I look it it, is that coarse angling has quite a large element of conservation. For example, the club lakes are private nature reserves and some are SSSIs, the club volunteers maintain and monitor water levels, quality and habitat for fish and for the waterside animals. The fish stocks are recorded and monitored, of which anglers' catches are part of. Without the club and the paying members, the waters would likely be filled in, or left to become overgrown, dried out and lifeless.
Catching a fish with a hook and returning it seems to be no more distressing/damaging than a fish or animal being captured in the wild and tagged for scientific reasons. Sharks, whales, dolphins etc all have tags stuck in them, should this practice also be considered?
 

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There's certian things about fishing which bother me (and hence don't do them). For example, holding the fish vertically by using your fingers and thumb and gripping behind the gill area. Another example is live-baiting with another fish (not that I'm a pike angler), it doesn't seem right to me.
 

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A lot of the same people who are bothered about animal cruelty are also quite happy to stuff their faces with factory farmed chicken from McDonalds and the like. Out of site out of mind.
 

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Another example is live-baiting with another fish (not that I'm a pike angler), it doesn't seem right to me.
This is an area we as anglers must be careful not to condemn too strongly. The antis will want to ask why it is generally banned. Is our answer to them going to be because it is ethically wrong and cruel to the live bait? The slightest weakness in our angling moralities will be seized upon and consequently blown out of all proportion with the anti propaganda. For what it's worth, I am in favour of live baiting as a method for predator angling, especially single hooking through the top lip with live Minnows for large Perch, likewise small Roach, Rudd or Perch for Pike. I'm not in support of 2 treble hooks inserted head and tail of a live bait.
 

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My answer.... its one thing to be hooked in the lip, and steered to a net, but quite another to be hooked in the back and head and dangled to be eaten alive by a predator...

Addendum...
Each of us has our own ideas on the subject some are in favour of livebaiting some are not... I'm not judgemental on those that do, as I willingly fish for other species, I just think that livebaiting gives ammunition to the anti's and we are under fire enough without opening that ethical can of worms
 

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Between 2008 and around 2014 I used to go on this forum every day. Made my own floats, went to tackle shops all the time. I still watch all the fishing Youtube channels. I am feeling the pull again especially since i've dropped a lot of my other hobbies recently. Whether I would still enjoy it in the same way now? I don't know but I bet I would, I think enjoying the act of fishing is something that stays with you, and I certainly still enjoy watching fishing videos.
Watching fishing videos on youtube and not taking part in our sport must be like watching Porn (get my drift) and not taking part in sex :cry: On the 19th July you have a big decision to make, mask or no mask, what will it be, im sure the Maggotdrowners will give you some good advice if you arnt sure. good luck.
 

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What would be your answer to this question?
I have been asked several times from non-anglers regarding cruelty to fish from anglers and angling. The question of live baiting ethics I begin with that I cannot speak on behalf of the misguided Scottish politicians who have banned the practice throughout the country. I then generally embark on lecturing the person/people starting from the beginning with fish spawn, fertilisation and predation, even prior to the fry hatching from other fish showing zero sentience to their fellow species. Numerically only 5% of a single spawning with an average of 20,000 eggs will survive to adulthood naturally. So 19,900 received no rights to life from the outset. I then move on to cannibalism of the predatory species that anglers target.
Most people get bored by now, so do I need to go on?
 

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I have been asked several times from non-anglers regarding cruelty to fish from anglers and angling. The question of live baiting ethics I begin with that I cannot speak on behalf of the misguided Scottish politicians who have banned the practice throughout the country. I then generally embark on lecturing the person/people starting from the beginning with fish spawn, fertilisation and predation, even prior to the fry hatching from other fish showing zero sentience to their fellow species. Numerically only 5% of a single spawning with an average of 20,000 eggs will survive to adulthood naturally. So 19,900 received no rights to life from the outset. I then move on to cannibalism of the predatory species that anglers target.
Most people get bored by now, so do I need to go on?
I bet they just love being lectured to. But your right, I too fell asleep halfway through your post .
 

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I have been asked several times from non-anglers regarding cruelty to fish from anglers and angling. The question of live baiting ethics I begin with that I cannot speak on behalf of the misguided Scottish politicians who have banned the practice throughout the country. I then generally embark on lecturing the person/people starting from the beginning with fish spawn, fertilisation and predation, even prior to the fry hatching from other fish showing zero sentience to their fellow species. Numerically only 5% of a single spawning with an average of 20,000 eggs will survive to adulthood naturally. So 19,900 received no rights to life from the outset. I then move on to cannibalism of the predatory species that anglers target.
Most people get bored by now, so do I need to go on?
Ever considered a career in politics? You didn't answer the question 😆
 
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