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keith

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Can you tell me what to do when you START a session on a water and get no bites.I feed little and often on one line and cup in on another and still no bites or knocks.I have changed hooklengths and hook sizes ,all to no avail.When you are getting indications it is simply a case of fine tuning to get the most from the peg but what do you do when these are not forthcoming.I always have a varied bait selection and this still does not improve things for me.Any help please.
 

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I'd like someone to tell me as well


I spent last Sunday with Stu and Danny on a ''Specimen'' Lake without a touch, not the only one though - Danny, Stu and everyone else around us.
Apparently a fish came out at 6.00am that morning before we got there, but that was it.

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keith i have the same problem on a certain water fishing pole, feeder or waggler i have tried every method but cant get the bites! the usual things that people suggest dont work, which i h=guess is happening to you also, i really wish i knew.

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hiya Keith is it only you thats not catching or is it the same for everyone,

i'm forever blowing bubbles.
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Do you try right under your feet? All i do is feed maggots in one swim and sweetcorn at one rod length I used these tactics Last Tuesday and while everyone else was trying to cast to france and catching nothing i caught 24lb of bream on a 22p can of sweetcorn from Asda fishing under my feet.
 

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KEITH
if any one that knows me hears me says this they would call me a hipogrit as i never move but if every one else is catching and they are on a diff side of the lake or pond then move

it isn`t the size of the tiddler that counts
 

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? has trev been there or replied to one of your postings ?

tight lines.
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by the way anyone heard from trev he hasnt posted since 18th

Edited by - martin. on 20 April 2002 12:31:06 AM
 

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Hi Keith,
I presume your refering to carp/commercials.

In my opinion a lot of it is to do with confidence in what you are doing and using.

Take one of my favourite baits which i think every one knows is meat.
I've the confidence in the way or ways that i fish it that i will fish it on 80 to 90% of venue's.

Take the new clubs water i've started fishing this year.
The pools are mainly skimmers with very few carp and every body told me that meat was a non starter and does not work.

Well due to my love of fishing meat i've used it on each of the 3 matches that i've fished there (the only times i've fish there) and had two 3rds and a 2nd place all on the meat, another match there tomorrow proberly blow out now i've said that dead.gif .

When i'm on the meat/paste/pellet or corn i've so much confidence in them that i'll normaly come away knowing in my own mind that i've done everything possible to catch and if it's not been a good day then there were no more fish in the peg willing to feed at the time,
but thats not to say that i wont try to improve on my performance by trying a new way of feeding.

The other side of the coin is that on carp/commercial waters i have very little confidence in fishing the caster or chop which are baits that most people have great confidence in using.

We'll have to natter about this 1 on the 20th at Drayton.

just reread the above and what i was trying to say was it's down to self confidence in what your doing is right.

Malc
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Edited by - MALC on 20 April 2002 2:49:12 PM
 

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many thanks for the replies.I think malc has summed it up really.I can adapt to most situations when getting bites but probably swap around too much trying out different things.Perhaps cutting back on the bait table and sticking to only a couple and MAKING them work would be a better approach.Let you know how i get on.
 

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I am only a simple pleasure angler, i use a 1.7 lb bayer perlon hook lenght with a size 20 hook, not the lightest of tackle i am sure you will agree. i use it rain or shine with only hookbait making me change hook size, i even fish sweetcorn on my beloved size 20. Like i said if the fish are not there you cant catch them, its not the tackle that catches the fish, its you knowing where they are, it is as simple as that, lobbing many baits in just confuses matters as the fish, once you have got them in to the swim aint got a clue what to go for as it has a feast to choose from. Stick to 2 baits and make sure you feed 2 clearly defined swims. Obviousley caster over hemp etc is an exception. Name a single fish in the UK that wont bite a maggot? The old ones are always the best LOL. I dont get water licked as i refuse to get water licked.
 

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Keith,
As I posted at end of Press Manor Report, I find same problem sometimes.

I usually try lighter presentation and if available, single pinkie!, or even squatts!

After 2 or 3 hours, I stop thinking about catching fish and start thinking about getting a bite!

I never fish below 2 lbs hook length to start a session anyway, so a change down sometimes brings that first elusive bite.

I often fail to get what I am targetting, ie Carp as in the Press Report, but I usually catch something.

Most of my blanks are when specialising for Pike , or Carp with Boilies etc., as when Les and I visited Elvington.

Basically, I wish I could share MALS'S self confidence, but thats a long way off for me yet, although my better bags have invariably been produced on meat.
Glad I'm not alone!

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quote:I never fish below 2 lbs hook length to start a session anyway
Thats what i use for main line LOL.

Everyone round here uses 24 hooks to 1.1lb hook lengths, thats why i thought my standard set up was beefy
 

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Yes, I've sen it happen Al,

I was desperate to catch a barbel on the last day day of the season!
As I reported then, a guy in the next swim DID catch two and I went and chatted to him about his method!

He was also fishing very light and told me he had snapped off on FOUR more.

I wasn't that desperate that I was prepared to cause fish suffering to post a photo of the barbel everyone knew I was after.

The Chub on wednesday would have made short shrift of a 1 and 1/2 lb hooklength too!

There are places like Drayton that we fish, that wouldnt even allow you to fish that light!

Horses for courses. there is no glory in fishing just one method only, much more sensible to fish to the water concerned and in Keith's question he says a NEW water.
Is it not the case that , rather than risk injuring fish, you fish heavier until you know the stamp of fish expected from it?

I have an original spool of Daiwa test 3/4lb line, given to me to try by Ivan Marks back in the 70's, when fishing light was al the rage and Carp weren't in nearly every pond!
I do use it for hair rigs lol.

If Martin , who fished matches with Bob Nudd uses 7lb bs braid straight through on the Pole, then that's good enough for me!

Certainly there aren't many fish fatalities on the North Level!

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Its surprising what can be landed on 1.7lb line and a 20 hook. I dont use anything lighter as I am not too keen on fish swimming round with hooks and line hanging from there mouths.

Now to the point of the thread, it was about getting bites at the start of a session; no mention was made as to what species was the target or the tackle to be used so one could assume general course fish are the target. Now if it had been said I cant get bites on my local carp water and I can see 25lb carp in my swim, now thats a different kettle of maggots I am sure you will agree. No one in there right mind would target carp on the tackle I use as my standard setup, not even me! You dont go for roach and perch on a 3lb test curve pike rod do you?

The reason why 7lb braid is used on the pole answers its own question, its the pole. You dont have 100 yards of line to play the fish with so its hook and heave and bully the fish to the bank, by the nature of the method you have no option, your elastic only goes so far and you soon run out of sections.

You seem to take offence at my comments when I was only answering a question to the best of my best ability on an open forum, my advice in most peoples minds may well be rubbish but in someones mind it might have helped. Most of you seem to know each other on a personal level and therefore know each others tactics etc. I do not have that advantage, please bare that in mind.
 

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Alnath - the way I read Trev's post, he objects to anyone using a rig so light it gets snapped off regularly - and in the specific case he cited, broken off more than put on the bank.

Many of the comments you will see on here are not directed specifically at the person who made the post being referred to either. We have a number of very new anglers visiting and practices that are fine for an experienced angler might be bad for a new guy.

So, answers are often aimed at the unseen lurkers who may be using threads here for their "how to" information.

I know many of the regulars are personally acquainted and have fished together. I am not one of them though since I have yet to meet anyone from the bbs. Too much distance for most.

LOL - Truth be told you ALL sound like you are fishing amazingly light to me. I have a spool of 6lb line at home but darned if I can remember when or why I bought the stuff. 10lb is my lightest and I only use that when I don't anticipate any serious fish. By the same tokin, I have a couple of #8 hooks around somewhere but don't remember the last time I used anything that tiny.

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Quote 'You seem to take offence at my comments when I was only answering a question to the best of my best ability on an open forum, my advice in most peoples minds may well be rubbish but in someones mind it might have helped. Most of you seem to know each other on a personal level and therefore know each others tactics etc. I do not have that advantage, please bare that in mind.'Quote

No Al,
I have no comment on your advice at all, I let it stand without comment,when I made my post to KEITH as clearly defined in this thread.
Who am I to pass comment on someone, who has 'Just returned to Angling and yet never gets 'waterlicked, beacause he refuses to get waterlicked'

Looks to me as a self confessed blunderer and novice that I am going to learn lots over the coming months.

However, the same didnt apply to my feeble efforts to help Keith!
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Thats what i use for main line LOL.

Everyone round here uses 24 hooks to 1.1lb hook lengths, thats why i thought my standard set up was beefy

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So , rather than you try to answer the original thread, the post I disliked was the one that immediately slighted my effors to help! containing the totally erroneous statement that 'EVERYONE'round here etc.'
Well you would hardly be in a position to know everyone, and I fish with a few Yorkies who do not use such kit!

However, a new kid, finding the forum, way well discount my feeble offering in view of the immediate put-down and go and injure some fish.
You then proceed in your next post to discount your previous statements of using 1.7lb always, and 'come rain or shine' and proceed to lecture me in the art of Pike, Carp, Pole, 'heavy fish' fishing,which was exactly the point I was trying to make,albeit in a poor fashin, as I am no expert!

The Zippy curse came about, because I have so many failures, post stupid disasters, like the time I fed the ice, got car stuck in the same fishery twice, broke kit, lost kit etc.,and ALWAYS laugh at myself, that people thought I was cursed.
I begged tuition , help and advice, and many of the lads, who greeted you with such a warm welcome , as they always do a newcomer, responded and taught me Pike Fishing, Carp rigs etc.,
Unfortunately, under their tuition, I was successful, but they often blanked (Water-licked?}
Perhaps they are just not as accomplished Anglers as you!

OR the disasters, scratched cars, breakdowns, lost or stolen phones started happening to them!
Gratefully, they still enjoyed the craic we had and I am still invited to fish with them. Culminating in my furthest trip organised to date, which is visiting the USA next month.
SO , I do NOT Curse things, places or people, but invariably something happens around me! now labelled as the Zippy curse.
This you could have learnt from the old threads.


I learnt very early on and as a Grandfather now, that although it is nice to be important, it is more important to be nice!
I shall never be an expert in anything,time has caught up with me , but a happy dabbler and although I disagreed with your post, I refrained from my comments until after your denigatory post in response to mine, not as you point out to advise the forum.
I did not even presume to offer advice to such a wide audience, most of whom know a hell of a lot more about fishing than I do, but wrote to Keith!

You then criticise the fact that most of us seem to know each other and that I should 'bare' with you. God forbid! but I'll happily bear with you.
However, may I humbly suggest that you read the old topics and posts, as I did when I arrived here and you will quicky see who are matchmen, specialists , Pike men , novices like me etc. and then know when to give this advice and when to withhold it.
The reason most of the guys get on is that they refrain from openly contradicting anothers post, as yesterday I did, having being called a 'Greedy B----r' by John Esox, to whom I owe my pleasure in Piking.
However, I couldnt let it rest, went back and read my own post and realised he was right!
So , I immediately admitted it.
Now , Al, as most on here know, I neither have the time left or inclination to enter into personalities, so if you insist on criticising my posts openly, feel free to so do, as I have hopefully explained my philosophy and will no longer defend my actions!
Too busy mate!
Bear in mind please that any advice, can be picked up by kids and novices like me, so keep it simple for us please and relevant, so that we do no harm with it.


Cheers

Trev




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Edited by - Ziptrev on 23 April 2002 8:03:14 PM
 

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Trev mate I was trying to clear the air and make good my reasons for the tackle I use and why I suggested what I did, I am in no position lecture you or anyone else mate. My advice is only good for me, I can share it just like anyone else but its up to the individual to use it how they interpret it. BTW if no one ever questions a post or contradicts it how do you know who is right or wrong
that kind of defeats the purpose of a forum.

Like I said my tackle is used for general course fish, small roach, perch, bream etc. If the my fellow Yorkeys were after carp or some other large fish they wont have similar tackle will they? I caught a tench last week that had a 14 hook with 5 or 6 pound line hanging from its mouth yet I landed it on my tackle and removed the offending article. No matter how heavy the tackle it is no guarantee that the fish will end up on the bank.

I have been on the internet for over 3 years now and unfortunately forums no matter how friendly they are will always have some friction, generally caused by the total lack of emotion and feeling associated with a normal conversation. You have to interpret the way a person types and at the same time judge there intentions as to how they meant it ass well as trying to work out if they were laughing or mad with rage, it isnt easy. I in no way intended to cause offence.

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hi all
im an all round angler & have fished with people who have never fished before as well as the only person to have won 4 ind golds in the world championships i feel at home on this forum as i would anywhere as for trev he hes been down here to fish with me & on 1 of the 2 days we both blanked but still enjoyed it
i know of the curse & mention it in a few of my posts but trev is a gentleman 7 is welcome to fish with me anytime.
as for rig lines although i use heavy stuff when its needed i am also prone to going down to a size 26 or 28 on a 8oz bot to 12oz rig line & a very lightly set 2lacy & ive still landed bream to 3lb on this.
it does not matter who gives the advice it should all be taken gratefully whether you use it or not is totaly indifferant


tight lines.
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Well I have apologised, explained and tried to clear the air. I am sorry I cannot do more. I in no way meant to offend Trev and I am truly sorry if I did, it is plain to see this is a friendly place, maybe the curse got me before I ever got started. Thanks for the advice on the Shimano Feeder Rod.

Have good summers fishing everyone.

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you have apologised
i dont know trev personaly but i am sure that will be the end
of it
trev seems a nice guy
these things happen
what you said about people not knowing the mood that people are
in when they write there post is true as i have had the same sort of thing happen to me
and i am the last peorson to start trouble

not on this forum
it was to do with the under 8 football team i am manager of
every thing got realy out of hand untill i seen them face to face and realised it was all a big misunderstanding
never mind
lets all get back to be a big happy family (lol)

it isn`t the size of the tiddler that counts
 
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