Maxima Chameleon for hook length?

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Just loaded up my waggler set up with chameleon and got me thinking - does anyone use Maxima Chameleon for hook lengths due to its ‘invisibility’ attributes? As it’s meant as a mainline I’m not sure what the pros and cons would be of using it as a hook length
 

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Funny you asking that, I was thinking something similar the other day. Some of the old pre tied hook lengths I have are tied on chameleon or green force line, yet I think pretty much everyone uses clear lines now. Made me wonder whether it really makes much difference or are we all being duped into the latest trend.
 

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Funny you asking that, I was thinking something similar the other day. Some of the old pre tied hook lengths I have are tied on chameleon or green force line, yet I think pretty much everyone uses clear lines now. Made me wonder whether it really makes much difference or are we all being duped into the latest trend.

I’ve really never noticed much difference in the lines I use - I’ve got some unbranded stuff on my main reel that I use for feeder fishing and it’s honestly been faultless. I think it’s all marketing and the latest trends etc too but always thought chameleon would make sense as a hook link given its light absorption properties
 

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No reason why you can't but don't expect it to be invisible etc. Put a few coils in a jar of water and see.
 

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It is simply that why use a thicker hooklength line than you need to and is available. Might be ok for laying on and leger rigs. The same reasoning applies to hooks. Why do we try and use the smallest, finest wire, we can get away with. Why use several smaller shot rather than one large one.

We try and make our tackle and rigs with as much finesse as we can and over time we have discovered that the more we do this the more we catch. Evolution and technical advances mean that we have worked out that Chamaeleon is not the best hooklength line in most circumstances.
 

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For years I’ve used chameleon for my mainline and n-gauge for my hooklengths but I’ve been fishing one of our club lakes recently which is packed with bream. The only problem with this lake, if you can call it a problem, is that It contains quite a few carp well over 20lb. They have taken my bait on a number of occasions but always snapped me off on my hooklengths. Last time I fished there I decided to fish chameleon straight through to the hook with no additional knots or links. I didn’t get any carp although they only take a bait occasionally anyway. It didn’t seem to deter the bream though and I had a good session so I guess it’s fine as a hooklength. I probably wouldn’t use it if I was scaled down fishing for roach on a small hook and I’ve never tried it in less than 5lb bs. Other than that it seems fine.
 

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This is an old thread, but I just noticed it at the bottom of page so thought I’d throw my two pence in…

Ive been using Maxima for my waggler and stick hooklengths for years, and although I’m now considering a more modern hooklength, I don’t think my catch rates have suffered using Maxima. Usually 2.5 or 3lb when fishing for silvers where carp may show up. And sometimes 4lb straight through, still get loads of bites from carp with that. It’s interesting to wonder whether a lower diameter hooklength will outperform maxima. I guess the only way to know it is try it and see the difference.
 

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This is an old thread, but I just noticed it at the bottom of page so thought I’d throw my two pence in…

Ive been using Maxima for my waggler and stick hooklengths for years, and although I’m now considering a more modern hooklength, I don’t think my catch rates have suffered using Maxima. Usually 2.5 or 3lb when fishing for silvers where carp may show up. And sometimes 4lb straight through, still get loads of bites from carp with that. It’s interesting to wonder whether a lower diameter hooklength will outperform maxima. I guess the only way to know it is try it and see the difference.
I’d never use maxima as a float hooklength these days. I used to but as soon as I dropped down to proper hook lengths initially to 2.5lb but now generally 2lb but sometimes up to 2.75lb my catch rate went up massively. Like a complete game changer. Even changing from 4lb maxima to 3lb maxima as a mainline a couple years ago made a massive difference as well in terms of being able to pick up line on the strike and mend so again has caught me a lot more fish. Go to for me for 90% of my silvers fishing now is 3lb maxima to 2lb drennan hooklengths. I used 2.5lb hooklengths a lot right up until midway through last season but since using the 2lb after advice on here I’ve found it’s pointless to go up to 2.5lb unless specifically targeting bigger fish or expecting a lot of carp as all it does is compromise getting bites. I thought it would be a tiny difference but it’s actually been quite noticeable.
 

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I’d never use maxima as a float hooklength these days. I used to but as soon as I dropped down to proper hook lengths initially to 2.5lb but now generally 2lb but sometimes up to 2.75lb my catch rate went up massively. Like a complete game changer. Even changing from 4lb maxima to 3lb maxima as a mainline a couple years ago made a massive difference as well in terms of being able to pick up line on the strike and mend so again has caught me a lot more fish. Go to for me for 90% of my silvers fishing now is 3lb maxima to 2lb drennan hooklengths. I used 2.5lb hooklengths a lot right up until midway through last season but since using the 2lb after advice on here I’ve found it’s pointless to go up to 2.5lb unless specifically targeting bigger fish or expecting a lot of carp as all it does is compromise getting bites. I thought it would be a tiny difference but it’s actually been quite noticeable.
That’s interesting to know, thanks. I think it’s probably time I got with the future and looked for something better than maxima now. I only use it because it’s what I used when I fished the first time around, it was pretty good in the 90’s but there’s clearly better around now. Which Drennan line do you use?
 

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That’s interesting to know, thanks. I think it’s probably time I got with the future and looked for something better than maxima now. I only use it because it’s what I used when I fished the first time around, it was pretty good in the 90’s but there’s clearly better around now. Which Drennan line do you use?
Maxima is still the perfect mainline for me in that it’s tough and thin for it’s actual BS and is well behaved I just wouldn’t use it for hooklengths on the float as there’s much thinner proper hooklengths about not to mention I prefer a clear hooklength as well. For hooklengths I tend to use the pre tied drennan ones these days as they tie spade hooks far better than I do but I’m pretty sure they’re tied with supplex as you can get that in 2lb amongst various other strengths.
 

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This is an old thread, but I just noticed it at the bottom of page so thought I’d throw my two pence in…

Ive been using Maxima for my waggler and stick hooklengths for years, and although I’m now considering a more modern hooklength, I don’t think my catch rates have suffered using Maxima. Usually 2.5 or 3lb when fishing for silvers where carp may show up. And sometimes 4lb straight through, still get loads of bites from carp with that. It’s interesting to wonder whether a lower diameter hooklength will outperform maxima. I guess the only way to know it is try it and see the difference.
Not really. Thousands of others have done the testing and experimenting for you. The consensus is that you catch more with thinner line & smaller hooks (most of the time).
 

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Not really. Thousands of others have done the testing and experimenting for you. The consensus is that you catch more with thinner line & smaller hooks (most of the time).
That’s very good of them! 🙂

I’ll definitely make the change then. I’m looking forward to my catch rate increasing already.
 

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I’ll definitely make the change then. I’m looking forward to my catch rate increasing already.
It’s amazing how far up the scale it goes as well, it’s not just a small fish tackle thing. I know some guys who tarpon fish in US and whilst there’s days that they use 80lb leaders and 8/0 hooks there’s other days when they have to scale down to 50lb and 5/0s to get bites. Just takes a bit longer to get them in then 😂
 

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Maxima is still the perfect mainline for me in that it’s tough and thin for it’s actual BS and is well behaved I just wouldn’t use it for hooklengths on the float as there’s much thinner proper hooklengths about not to mention I prefer a clear hooklength as well. For hooklengths I tend to use the pre tied drennan ones these days as they tie spade hooks far better than I do but I’m pretty sure they’re tied with supplex as you can get that in 2lb amongst various other strengths.
My goto waggler float setup used to be 2.5lb maxima main with a 1.5lb maxima hook length and for stick float I would change the mainline to 2.6lb perlon and it used to work fine, I do now use mainly G line for hook lengths these days but would not have an issue going back to 1.5lb maxima or even 1lb maxima if I had no G line. Also when fishing up in the water for carp be it pellet waggler or sprayed maggot my rig would be 4lb maxima main line to a 3lb maxima hook length as I feel for this type of fishing where the bites can be pretty savage the little bit of extra stretch in the maxima works very well and sort of acts as a bit of a shock absorber
 

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My goto waggler float setup used to be 2.5lb maxima main with a 1.5lb maxima hook length and for stick float I would change the mainline to 2.6lb perlon and it used to work fine, I do now use mainly G line for hook lengths these days but would not have an issue going back to 1.5lb maxima or even 1lb maxima if I had no G line. Also when fishing up in the water for carp be it pellet waggler or sprayed maggot my rig would be 4lb maxima main line to a 3lb maxima hook length as I feel for this type of fishing where the bites can be pretty savage the little bit of extra stretch in the maxima works very well and sort of acts as a bit of a shock absorber
2.5lb maxima as a mainline is on my to try list just need to get brave enough! I find 3lb fine for what I do though and like that it gives the flexibility to step up the hooklength if required.

Tbh I didn’t know you could get it under 2lb so assuming it does break above its weight like all maxima I’d be fairly comfortable using that as a hooklength but still think I’d prefer a clear hooklength.
 

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I don’t generally use for hooklengths unless I’m after barbel, in which case 5 or6lb clear Maxima is used (for maggot fishing). I use it as a mainline for my waggler and feeder work, and my river rigs are made up on 1.5lb Maxima. I like the reassurance the stretch provides, and tend to ma wind rather than using the clutch. Anything under 2lb can be hard to find, although I used to do my canal rigs to 1lb Maxima years ago. I like it’s durability and reliability. Each to their own, though.
 

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30+ years ago 1.5lb maxima was a go too hook length for chub when you only had a few choices Bayer, Maxima or Sundridge Force with 1lb maxima for dace and roach. Each had their fans. When my old team Greys Imex won the national on the Trent in the 90's we found a 5ft hook length of 2lb maxima was the best option for barbel and chub as low diameter hook lengths would find you cracked off without seeing a bite as the old big chub sat up in the water intercepting the feed that came out of the feeder on impact.

I also know a lot of top class fly anglers that swear by Maxima ultra green for dry fly and lure fishing on streams rivers and lakes despite the majority opting for low dia and fluoro hook lengths
 

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30+ years ago 1.5lb maxima was a go too hook length for chub when you only had a few choices Bayer, Maxima or Sundridge Force with 1lb maxima for dace and roach. Each had their fans. When my old team Greys Imex won the national on the Trent in the 90's we found a 5ft hook length of 2lb maxima was the best option for barbel and chub as low diameter hook lengths would find you cracked off without seeing a bite as the old big chub sat up in the water intercepting the feed that came out of the feeder on impact.

I also know a lot of top class fly anglers that swear by Maxima ultra green for dry fly and lure fishing on streams rivers and lakes despite the majority opting for low dia and fluoro hook lengths
I use the green version as leader for chinook salmon fly fishing. 20lb and it is very hard to break with a fly rod partly because it stretches a bit. And it’s relatively cheap. Superb stuff.

I have also used the 15lb for various specialist coarse applications.
 

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On small rivers like Nene, Ouse & Lee I used to use 2lb Maxima as the reel line when legering. Thinner line, less pressure from the flow. Seemed logical to me at the time.
 
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