Aitch, Cantankerous old gimmer with "Views"
- Nov 30, 2015
Tis... not too far from me
As so often ... Ken speaks the truth!There is no shortage of good all round match anglers to join the England set up but the ability to catch 200lb of carp or F1s does not give you a chance as you need to be very good on all rod and line float and pole skills mostly on moving water to get considered because of the nature of the venues.
Not saying that all commercial anglers cant fish a slider or suss out a flat float but many of them have never encountered the methods and the use of bloodworm which means they are behind the curve with those who were brought up on these styles.
Match fishing is so fragmented now with so many small matches over most of the country several times a week I can see where MD is coming from but the golden age of 200+opens has gone forever so most are happy with a match wether its 10 pegs 20 pegs restricted to members or over 50s etc, its still a match however you look at it and somebody will win which is why they go, what you call it sweep,knock up match etc. is irrelevant.
I remember when the DAM Starlets rocked up in their entirety to practice on the RMC whilst I was already fishing. I was about 15 and it would have been mid/late 80s. The gods smiled upon me that day as a bonus tench made sure they all came round to have a look and congratulate me. Unforgettable fishing memory.Wasn't he very involved with Starlets at one point? I only ever met him a few times with the Junior Starlets Team. Surprises me that he would write something like that but I have not seen the post.
You are missing the point.You do not get to the top of any sport without being focused on winning.That's utter tosh. There is no need to be rude at any level. Even more so by the ones at the top. They should be the ones setting the example.
Actually, a lot of top sportsmen are like that before competing. It's not just concentrating on the match, but also wanting to psyche out the opponents, and as a fellow competitor, you were an opponent, hence the cold shoulder. If you weren't fishing in the final, he would probably be have been a lot more polite. Afterwards they are usually a lot more approachable.I think most top sportsman can be mistaken for being arrogant when the truth is they are just focused.Back in the day I was going to the Warwickshire Avon for a courage qualifier and asked the legend who is Kenny Collings what to expect.He gave me Marks phone number and said ring him,he will put you right.It was a bit daunting for me because he was a household name and had never heard of me.However,I rang him and spent 2 hours on the phone with Mark giving me the lowdown on every peg.I managed to qualify and at the final went over to thank him and was surprised at his cold response.I have since seen this in many anglers at an important competitions and realise that they are like any top sportsman.There to win.Talk to them after The match and 9 times out of 10 they will be only to happy to tell you everything they have done.What some club/open match anglers do not realise is the dedication it takes to reach the very top.
Of course established anglers on the circuit are going to be friendly to each other. They know each other, and their skills, and they know that trying to play mind games is a waste of time. But if they are pegged on a section with a few less experienced anglers, they want them to be in awe of the big name in their midst. Because Jon Arthur having his backside handed to him by Jamie Hughes, or vice versa, isn't a big thing. But getting beaten off the next peg in a final by an unknown angler wouldn't look good.What a load of tosh 2.
Jamie Hughes rocks up to a match and Jon Arthur is sat on the next peg. Jon Arthur says hello Jamie. Is he going to ignore him?
Is he heck. Why would he. Hell.. they'd probably have a little chat before/while they are setting up.
It's arrogance. Plain and simple.
It was MAP Starlets when I fished for the Junior Club. We used to have a Blue Coach with Starlets written on the side that fit about 20 of us in so all our matches were knockups except when we fished in Nationals. My memory of meeting Mark Downes was when I was selected for a weeks training with Team England anglers. He asked me, what makes a good angler? I said "ability to learn and if you're not catching then always ask why". It got me selected and stays with me to this day. I think he turned up to a few of our fortnightly meetings too.I remember when the DAM Starlets rocked up in their entirety to practice on the RMC whilst I was already fishing. I was about 15 and it would have been mid/late 80s. The gods smiled upon me that day as a bonus tench made sure they all came round to have a look and congratulate me. Unforgettable fishing memory.
I never realised we were in the presence of royalty, lets have some stories from your early days mateIt was MAP Starlets when I fished for the Junior Club. We used to have a Blue Coach with Starlets written on the side that fit about 20 of us in so all our matches were knockups except when we fished in Nationals. My memory of meeting Mark Downes was when I was selected for a weeks training with Team England anglers. He asked me, what makes a good angler? I said "ability to learn and if you're not catching then always ask why". It got me selected and stays with me to this day. I think he turned up to a few of our fortnightly meetings too.
Haha nothing compared to some of the experienced matchmen on here. Like I say, they were just Junior Club knockups. But I do have some stories when I remember them, probably to be repeated proper Fisherman "it was this big" style.I never realised we were in the presence of royalty, lets have some stories from your early days mate
Elitist tw@t.... how sodding dare he denigrate the grass roots of the match angling world.... we all start somewhere, even the majestic Lord Downes.... man's a twunt... hope all his next outings are bl
Why not superglue a wet Kipper to his lips instead!Superglue his lips together and slap his face with a wet kipper
There’s no on high about it, we all come from humble beginnings at some point, I remember us all on the starlets bus, can remember when we all fished proper matches, not gathered round a hole in the ground, like a fish pond, when true skills were developed, he comes from this background so perhaps we can forgive him these comments, and remember what true angling used to be……..Facebook strikes again
Mark Downes, manager of the English angling team has posted that in his opinion, most of us oiks, clubmen and amatuer anglers, those who are not in the elite class of match angling, do not in most cases when we go out to pit our wits and skill against other anglers, actually fish matches
it is in his opinion that we merely fish knockups,
he bases this skewed view of the world of ordinary joe on the basis that
all matches with 20 or less filled pegs are mere knockups between mates
those with 20 to 50 anglers are matches proper
and those with 50 and above are opens
now Ive heard some utter claptrap regarding match angling in my time, but that is down right pretentious and discriminatory, for a man that leads our national team to cast such views as to the core support of the sport, your average clubman is just as entitled to fish those matches his club or match group put on each week and be just as determined to win or place and be proud of the fact that he participated and gave his best regardless of the numbers fishing
presumably in his upper echolon sponsored world, mere mortals dont exist, and this man that expects our money that we pay into various organisations and buy equipment from manufacturers to support his international teams is from those who just fish knock ups, 3rd class matchmen, he also seems to forget that without those clubbies turning up to fish gigs on commercial venues, the income they gather would fall and those venues may not survive that drop
I wasnt very happy the way the Angling trust treated thier long time international supporter "Drennan" in the past, and now hearing and seeing the replies to his controversial post, it makes me, and a lot of others realise, the way we are looked at from on high