Mandatory Vaccines for NHS and Care Workers

Keith Sparky

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With the vaccine roll out ongoing why are key health workers not mandated to have a vaccine to protect their patients. I understand some cannot for allergy reasons etc.. but health boards are reporting low uptake in some regions and even those considered good are at less than 70%. Has the time come to mandate vaccines for all staff ? How can it be right that the very people at the front line can be allowed to be so irresponsible to both their own health and the health of their patients and families. I just don't get it.
 

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because its not mandatory for anyone to have the vaccine, it never will be.

And the only thing you could do is change employment contracts to state you have to be vaccinated which again will never happen.

remember its only a vaccine, it doesnt stop you catching covid, it just limits its impact.
 

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But both vaccines also significantly reduce transmission......why would you risk being asymptomatic and pass the virus to a patient ?....surely you would just have the vaccine to do everyone possible to reduce risk....isn't that why staff wear PPE to help both parties ?.....
 

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Luscious lady friend is a respiratory specialist nurse. She had her first vaccijaberation on new year's day.
 

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im not saying they are right, im saying it isnt and will not be mandatory for the reasons i stated
 

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With the vaccine roll out ongoing why are key health workers not mandated to have a vaccine to protect their patients. I understand some cannot for allergy reasons etc.. but health boards are reporting low uptake in some regions and even those considered good are at less than 70%. Has the time come to mandate vaccines for all staff ? How can it be right that the very people at the front line can be allowed to be so irresponsible to both their own health and the health of their patients and families. I just don't get it.
One problem is that if enough people dont have the vaccine then the virus will carry on and keep mutating. It could even get to the point where the vaccine is useless against new mutations. The message really needs to be hit home that we all must have it to maximise it's effect. Unfortunately, there are a lot of selfish people who for whatever reason won't have it. The figures of the abstainers so far is disappointing and I feel they will only get higher as we work towards the younger.
 

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With the vaccine roll out ongoing why are key health workers not mandated to have a vaccine to protect their patients. I understand some cannot for allergy reasons etc.. but health boards are reporting low uptake in some regions and even those considered good are at less than 70%. Has the time come to mandate vaccines for all staff ? How can it be right that the very people at the front line can be allowed to be so irresponsible to both their own health and the health of their patients and families. I just don't get it.
Cant see any reason for them not to have it at all. (Unless they have medical reasons) ,im having mine friday 🤪
 

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Its interesting that Isreal where the vaccine roll out has gone so fast that they are offering anyone over 16 a vaccine is having problems getting the under 50 population to get vaccinated and they are aiming for 90% of all adults. They are now considering vaccine passports to prevent non vaccinated adults access to restaurants etc..a bit drastic but these are not normal times
 

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Its interesting that Isreal where the vaccine roll out has gone so fast that they are offering anyone over 16 a vaccine is having problems getting the under 50 population to get vaccinated and they are aiming for 90% of all adults. They are now considering vaccine passports to prevent non vaccinated adults access to restaurants etc..a bit drastic but these are not normal times
Passports are a great idea , get vaccinated or dont come in here.
 

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It seems a very easy way to get cinemas, sport, theatres etc open to have some kind of ‘I’ve been jabbed’ card. Infringes civil liberties I imagine will be the counter argument.
 

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First of all this is a free country. If the Government start insisting on vaccinations for all workers in a particular sector where does that end? For many conspiracy theorists that would be the "proof" they are seeking. As has been said, vaccination may reduce transmission to some degree but does not prevent you from being a carrier. So the vaccination only really aids the person, not those with whom they come into contact. So if you want to run the risk of contracting the virus carry on refusing the vaccine. I am assuming that is why The Boss and I got ours early, due to the number who have turned the jab down. I say thank you to them.

As for a passport? Forgeries of all kinds of official documents abound. You know that there will be fake vaccination passports/cards in circulation very quickly. Not worth the paper they are printed on.

Now, if everyone was microchipped ......
 

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That would only work if the Government continued to compensate for loss of business,remember what effect the smoking ban had on pubs.Are you prepared to pay the inevitable price increase for loss of footfall,and do you think the non vaccinated are going to be passive about having their rights abused ?
 

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It seems a very easy way to get cinemas, sport, theatres etc open to have some kind of ‘I’ve been jabbed’ card. Infringes civil liberties I imagine will be the counter argument.

Civil liberties are no good to dead people.

I think a vaccine passport is a cracking idea, those who refuse the jab will just have to accept less access to certain things or places.

Only thing of concern is food shops / supermarkets wouldn't be able to do this, be a bit harsh to ban someone from the weekly shop.

Overall a vaccine is only as effective as the amount of people vaccinated, I think some gentle arm twisting under the guise of a vaccine passport should encourage take-up.
 

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already been discussions about vaccine passports and theres loads of hurdles as well as lots of issues with WHO and other organisations as well as how do you track varients etc. and loads of issues with lots of different agencies/countries and loads others.

look online and loads of info on there including petitions against passports lol

I am 100% that we should all be chipped at birth! would make lots of things much much easier but it will def not happen in my life time if at all
 

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I think you start to tread a dangerous line when you start enforcing things like vaccines upon people.
 

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Just read this....

Analysis from the University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust has revealed lower proportions of black and Asian staff being vaccinated.
It found that 70.9% of white staff had come forward, compared with 58.5% of South Asian staff and 36.8% of black staff.... :eek:
 

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Heard this on the news the other day and just checked thier website.

'It is with this in mind that we have once more reviewed our health and safety procedures to ensure we are providing the safest possible cruise experience. We have taken the decision to introduce the requirement that all guests must be fully vaccinated against COVID‑19 at least 14 days before sailing with us.'

 

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Cant see any reason for them not to have it at all. (Unless they have medical reasons) ,im having mine friday 🤪
My missus is a midwife Rob. She’s wanting the vaccine but, she’s allergic to all sorts of things. She had some tests done a fortnight ago and is now waiting on the results. At 54 I reckon it’s gonna be a while before they get around to me. Hope it makes me a better angler. I need all the help I can get. 😳🤣🤣
 

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It will be difficult for the government to mandate vaccination, but as we've seen with the Saga example above, if enough organizations make it compulsory it can make it difficult to function without it. I believe Germany used to have a similar policy with ID cards - they were not compulsory, but it was almost impossible to access certain services without one, so everyone carried the ID card.

As for the idea of a vaccine passport we need to think like 21st century folks. So your passport could be a QR code (stored on your phone or even a laminated card for those without phones), when challenged you could present the QR code, it gets scanned and your name/photo appears which can be checked by the person scanning it. Whilst the QR code can still be copied/forged etc. it becomes a lot easier to detect people trying it on if they are asked to confirm ID with a bank card, driving license etc at the same time. This would be quite onerous if it was every time you went shopping, but for one off events like going on holiday it might be an acceptable solution.
 
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