Losing Barbel

Zerkalo

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Yesterday I lost a Barbel in a way that hasn’t happened to me before.

I have lost Barbel before, once to my hooklength going as it went on a last run under the rod tip (I must always remember to slacken the clutch when they’re under my feet), once when I fell over playing a fish and the hooklength went, and a few times to plain old hook pulls.

What happened yesterday though, the fish ‘kited’ in the current, no way of stopping of it, right into a tree on the near bank. How do you play fish when they go towards the inside bank like this? It happens a lot to me with Chub but not so much with Barbel. I have always thought it fortunate that Barbel aren’t particularly snag inclined. I think when they do find them it is accidentally, compared to Chub that seem to actively dive for them?

So then comes the tricky part, the rig is now stuck in a tree and I have no option but to try to pull it out. Fortunately I use 8lb hooklengths which specialist anglers might consider to be too light, and I was able to ‘gently’ pull for a break, resulting in hopefully an untethered fish.

Question is, what could I have done different? Should I be fishing heavier so I could have tried to ‘hit and hold’ away from the snag? But then again I don’t think that would have stopped it on and then would have had to pull much harder for a break?
 

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I've been using 8lb hook lengths on the Trent recently Zerkalo. A few snags out in the middle but, not enough for me to worry about. When I landed those eight Barbel out of the Wharfe at Tadcaster I stepped my hook length up to 10lb then to 12lb as like you the Barbel were acting like chub and were trying to get into the nearside vegetation. Nothing much you can do other than use a 13' rod and try to guide the Barbel at arms length away from any nearside snags. 8lb is a lot stronger than most anglers think so dont be afraid to apply a bit of pressure. If you pull out of it then you were most probably going to pull out of it anyway. Good luck matey. ?
 

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Cheers and I’m glad I’m not fishing too light and 8lb is enough, especially for the majority of fish that I’m likely to catch, like yesterday when 3 of them were under 4lb.

Although even the small ones put up a good fight! I sometimes find it difficult to tell it’s only a 3.5lb fish until it surfaces when there’s a bit of flow on. Pure muscle these fish and think even if I’d’ fished heavier there was not much I could have done with a 12’ rod with the one that went for the inside bank.

The biggest I had yesterday at 5lb15oz, I was convinced I was snagged but it was just holding in the flow. I think if I start regularly catching fish like that it won’t be long before I feel the need to respool the 10lb line on my reels with something heavier as I think it pushes 8lb line to its limits!
 

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Cheers and I’m glad I’m not fishing too light and 8lb is enough, especially for the majority of fish that I’m likely to catch, like yesterday when 3 of them were under 4lb.

Although even the small ones put up a good fight! I sometimes find it difficult to tell it’s only a 3.5lb fish until it surfaces when there’s a bit of flow on. Pure muscle these fish and think even if I’d’ fished heavier there was not much I could have done with a 12’ rod with the one that went for the inside bank.

The biggest I had yesterday at 5lb15oz, I was convinced I was snagged but it was just holding in the flow. I think if I start regularly catching fish like that it won’t be long before I feel the need to respool the 10lb line on my reels with something heavier as I think it pushes 8lb line to its limits!
Good on ya pal. ?. What would you say the average size of fish is on your stretch Zerkalo ? I'm taking it we are talking about the Severn here ?
 

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Good on ya pal. ?. What would you say the average size of fish is on your stretch Zerkalo ? I'm taking it we are talking about the Severn here ?

Arley I had 9 fish from there before one day with only one over 5lb. I think it is full of small Barbel on the right pegs on that stretch, which has been mentioned to me bodes well for the future, although I have also heard reports of doubles coming from there and have had some decent days with 5lb+ fish coming out, I think there are better stretches for bigger fish. That's only what I can tell from my brief times fishing there though I do worry sometimes with 8lb line if I do hook a new PB I might have wished I fished heavier.
 

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Arley I had 9 fish from there before one day with only one over 5lb. I think it is full of small Barbel on the right pegs on that stretch, which has been mentioned to me bodes well for the future, although I have also heard reports of doubles coming from there and have had some decent days with 5lb+ fish coming out, I think there are better stretches for bigger fish. That's only what I can tell from my brief times fishing there though I do worry sometimes with 8lb line if I do hook a new PB I might have wished I fished heavier.
Sounds nice for trundling a piece of meat under a chubber float does that matey. Up to 6lb fish are lovely on a float. You got much depth close in for that method ? Id love to give that a go with a centre pin. Its not all about massive Barbel. ?
 

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I've thought about it and can't wait to try and catch a few on the float, all about finding the right peg though, I think I have a few in mind where it might work. The good thing about Arley and some stretches of the Middle Severn is you have shallows followed by deeps all on the same stretch.
 

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I've thought about it and can't wait to try and catch a few on the float, all about finding the right peg though, I think I have a few in mind where it might work. The good thing about Arley and some stretches of the Middle Severn is you have shallows followed by deeps all on the same stretch.
And rocks and crevices and drop-offs that all eat terminal tackle.
 

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Yeah that's a consideration for float fishing definitely, it's bad enough feeder fishing sometimes, though I have heard parts of the Trent are worse for rocks?
 

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Arley I had 9 fish from there before one day with only one over 5lb. I think it is full of small Barbel on the right pegs on that stretch, which has been mentioned to me bodes well for the future, although I have also heard reports of doubles coming from there and have had some decent days with 5lb+ fish coming out, I think there are better stretches for bigger fish. That's only what I can tell from my brief times fishing there though I do worry sometimes with 8lb line if I do hook a new PB I might have wished I fished heavier.
Biggest I've had at Arley was unweighed but around 12lb from showing the pictures to many other anglers, caught plenty of 8 pounders and as you say, there's lots around the 5lb mark, biggest chub was 5lb15oz when I had scales, bought some new ones today so all set for the weekend.
 

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I've never had that happen to me with Barbel on the near bank - my experience with Barbel is they'll run for sunken trees etc when they live under them (eg. in shallow water) but otherwise run in to snags rather than at them. The sunken tree homes always seem to be on the far bank (match stretches).
Could it have been a chub or a foul hooker perhaps? I've had barbel kite in when hooked around the dorsal fin area or even the tail fin.

I know with some fish that a desperation move is to kid them by pulling towards a snag (they then swim in the opposite direction). I've never needed to do that with Barbel, but have many times with Chub hooked a long way downstream. No idea if it works for barbel?
 

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I've never had that happen to me with Barbel on the near bank - my experience with Barbel is they'll run for sunken trees etc when they live under them (eg. in shallow water) but otherwise run in to snags rather than at them. The sunken tree homes always seem to be on the far bank (match stretches).
Could it have been a chub or a foul hooker perhaps? I've had barbel kite in when hooked around the dorsal fin area or even the tail fin.

I know with some fish that a desperation move is to kid them by pulling towards a snag (they then swim in the opposite direction). I've never needed to do that with Barbel, but have many times with Chub hooked a long way downstream. No idea if it works for barbel?
Never had it myself on the Trent but, on the Wharfe they were trying to. I think they must have been watching their mates the chub. Unusual I thought for Barbel. On the Swale at Cundall they always head for the over hanging willows on the far bank. Luckily it’s pretty much snag free over there. Stick to the Trent. Barbel are far more sensible in the Trent. ???
 

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Yeah some big fish at Arley by all accounts, just I seem to get the tiddlers. :ROFLMAO:

Sure this one was a Barbel, that’s what surprised me that it ended up in the near bank vegetation like a Chub. Was a heavy flow yesterday and pretty much every fish headed downstream, this one did then slowly moved inwards. No stopping it! Unless it was one of the very big Chub @carphauler suggests.
 

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Yeah some big fish at Arley by all accounts, just I seem to get the tiddlers. :ROFLMAO:

Sure this one was a Barbel, that’s what surprised me that it ended up in the near bank vegetation like a Chub. Was a heavy flow yesterday and pretty much every fish headed downstream, this one did then slowly moved inwards. No stopping it! Unless it was one of the very big Chub @carphauler suggests.
Biggest fish I've caught there have been in October/November with the river well up,just made 3 loaves of bread mash, going to fish the flake on a stick tomorrow if the wind allows.
 
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