Looking for new float/match

Orc Slayer

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Hello everyone

New to the forum and returned to fishing after a 10 year absence (had all my fishing gear nicked from my garage 10 years or so ago).

Started going again with the kids and the eldest (16 yrs) has really shown a passion for fishing. We've been fishing a few venues and our last visit to an old estate lake resulted in us having over 30 carp in the 5lb to 10lb range along with some decent roach, crucian and perch. I'm currently using a Daiwa Will Raison Matchwinner Waggler 13ft rod paired with a Shimano Super 4000GTM RB. I'm thinking of getting a new float rod and happy to spend anywhere between £100 to £200 providing it's suitable. Where we fish there is another lake (stunning looking estate type lake) which is also very weedy but has tench and carp a plenty between the 4lb to 10lb mark with bream up to about 8lb and plenty of silver fish and again crucians.

I've seen several recommendations for cadence rods but not sure what the #0,#1,#2 and #3 actually mean when choosing the options. I also noticed that these rods are 13ft, 14ft, 15ft all the way up to 18ft in length and wondered why these rods are so long (are they purely to assist in extra casting distances).

I've also seen that the Acolyte Plus is highly recommended but comes at a whopping cost of £200.

What I'm hoping for is a rod capable of lines between 3lb to around 7lb and capable of handling the bigger fish on a regular basis and mainly aimed at the Carp/Tench and Bream (love fishing the lift method for these stunning creatures). Probably looking at staying with something along the lines of 13ft or 14ft. I'll be keeping the Shimano Super 4000GTM RB as it's a great reel and getting another reel to pair up with the Daiwa matchwinner so i can give that to my son. Any recommendations on reels suitable around the £50 mark for my son would also be greatly appreciated.

Apologies for the long post.

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Gary (Orc Slayer)
 

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For my Tench fishing I use a Shimano hyperloop 390. One of the most underrated rods ever made. A brilliant rod for hard fighting fish. Cheap as chips also but, don’t let that put you off. Well capable and perfect for what you require. Some on eBay for as little as 30 quid. 👍
 

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Basically with the Cadence rods the numbers equate to the power and casting weights of the rods. The higher the number the more powerful and thus heavier hooklength you can use and also the heavier float set up you can use also.

if you scroll down on the page below where they want you to add to the basket it will tell you more about each numbered rod Cadence CR10 13ft Match Fishing Rods - Cadence Fishing

I would however suggest either seeing if any local members on here have cadence rods, finding out if a cadence ambassador is local to you or visit one of their roadshows and have a waggle with the rods.


As for a reel would you be looking for something front or rear drag?

for a rear drag perhaps something like the Shimano Sahara Shimano Sahara RD Reel available as single or double handled and also featuring the fighting drag which allows for quick easing and tightening of the drag without having to turn the drag knob multiple times.

for a front drag reel probably something like the Shimano Sedona Shimano Sedona Fi Reel and I would probably say look at the compact body 3000 size.

i’m sure others will be along shortly with better advice but they are what I would look at in your budget.
 

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Whereabouts are you? If your interested in cadence rods i can find out if there is an ambassador near you as i family friend of mine is also one. You might find if theres one near you they may be able to show you a rod before you buy
 

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It may be worth you waiting to buy a Cadence rod, as they did do buy a rod and get a free reel deals fairly often.
 

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Probably hard pushed to find a rod that'll take 3 and 7 pound line just as well as each other but something like an acolyte plus or the x tension specialist or whatever it's called would do 4 to 6 pound fine. I suspect the more powerful cadences would as well as you can supposedly even do it with the lighter ones although I'd say that pushing it at the upper level.

Reel wise I don't think you can go wrong with Shimano saharas in rear drag. I've got a couple of the 2500 ones and love them now I've got used to them.
 

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Basically with the Cadence rods the numbers equate to the power and casting weights of the rods. The higher the number the more powerful and thus heavier hooklength you can use and also the heavier float set up you can use also.

if you scroll down on the page below where they want you to add to the basket it will tell you more about each numbered rod Cadence CR10 13ft Match Fishing Rods - Cadence Fishing

I would however suggest either seeing if any local members on here have cadence rods, finding out if a cadence ambassador is local to you or visit one of their roadshows and have a waggle with the rods.


As for a reel would you be looking for something front or rear drag?

for a rear drag perhaps something like the Shimano Sahara Shimano Sahara RD Reel available as single or double handled and also featuring the fighting drag which allows for quick easing and tightening of the drag without having to turn the drag knob multiple times.

for a front drag reel probably something like the Shimano Sedona Shimano Sedona Fi Reel and I would probably say look at the compact body 3000 size.

i’m sure others will be along shortly with better advice but they are what I would look at in your budget.
Thanks Scuttster

I did discover the sizings shortly after you had posted your reply but was so tired last night I didn't reply.

So if I'm looking for I suppose a specimen float rod or one for handling decent sized bream, tench and carp, then I probably need to be looking at a #2 or #3 in my chosen length (looking at the 14ft versions atm).

Are these a through action rod or more progressive through the top section but with a bit of oomph through the end/butt section. Like I said, I'm more than happy with the 4000GTM RB reel so your recommendations for reels for my son seen great.

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Whereabouts are you? If your interested in cadence rods i can find out if there is an ambassador near you as i family friend of mine is also one. You might find if theres one near you they may be able to show you a rod before you buy
I'm near Huntingdon in Cambridgeshire but work in North London.
 

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So if I'm looking for I suppose a specimen float rod or one for handling decent sized bream, tench and carp, then I probably need to be looking at a #2 or #3 in my chosen length (looking at the 14ft versions atm).

Are these a through action rod or more progressive through the top section but with a bit of oomph through the end/butt section.
I have the #1 and it’ll handle fish up to about 6lb with ease so I’d imagine the #2 would suit you. From what I gather the #3 is like a genuine big fish every fish is a double type rod. Not sure if the more powerful ones have a different action but the #1 has fairly traditional float rod action in that it’s quite tippy but has a bit of power in the mid section.
 

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I have the #1 and it’ll handle fish up to about 6lb with ease so I’d imagine the #2 would suit you. From what I gather the #3 is like a genuine big fish every fish is a double type rod. Not sure if the more powerful ones have a different action but the #1 has fairly traditional float rod action in that it’s quite tippy but has a bit of power in the mid section.
Thanks Silverfisher, I suppose 95% of the fish I'm catching are between the 5lb to 8lb mark. I don't want to end up with a broom handle, prior to having my carp gear stolen, I had a set of century araldite mk2's at 2.5lb TC and they were an absolute joy to use. They had a complete through action and were a definite players rod. Seeing the bend all the way through the rod and feeling every lung is what I loved about them. I'm hoping to get something similar in a float rod that is great to play fish at even the 2lb mark but will handle anything up to low doubles.

Perhaps I'm asking for too much from one rod, lol.
 

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I'm near Huntingdon in Cambridgeshire but work in North London.
This will be your man adrain stokes, im sure he wont mind you messaging him, hes said before hes always happy to help
 

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i have a jw young 13ft specimin float rod..think its a 3 peice rod...reel line 3-8lb..used once still with plastic on handle..£40..collected...comes in a cordite case..if you sort courier out to collect that fine
 

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Middy 5g Trinity Waggler will probably do 3lb to 7lb line fine (I've only fished 3 to 6lb but that's Maxima) and handles skimmers up to carp doubles. I got one as an (almost) every venue match rod. I'm very pleased with it. Handle and reel seat are incredibly comfortable.

There's another positive review here from a more experienced coarse angler than me if you search it out.

It's a 3 piece rather than a 2 section if that matters to you?
 
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The Matchwinner rod you have wasn't top of the range, but it wasn't a budget rod either. Be wary of making a sideways or downwards "upgrade".

wondered why these rods are so long (are they purely to assist in extra casting distances).
No, extra length in a float rod is not really about casting distance. It's about fishing deeper water and greater float control when fishing a river.
 

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The Matchwinner rod you have wasn't top of the range, but it wasn't a budget rod either. Be wary of making a sideways or downwards "upgrade".


No, extra length in a float rod is not really about casting distance. It's about fishing deeper water and greater float control when fishing a river.
Thanks, I think I paid around the £80 to £100 mark for the match winner about 8 or 9 years ago. It handled the fish fine the other day and that was even on the one that went 9lb 14oz. That's why I'm hoping to upgrade and give this one to my 16 year old and get him a different reel for around £50.

To be honest I don't mind spending between £150 to £200 if it gets me a decent upgrade.
 

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To be fair your Matchwinner (assuming it is the Will Raison version) is not a bad rod and when new had an RRP of £199 so you really need to be careful of spending £100+ on what could possibly be a down grade or at best a sideways move. I suspect that the Cadence rods will be at best a sideways move but more than likely a slight downgrade. If you like the action (some do, some don't) then an Acolyte plus would be a step up, but really only in the fact that it would be a fair bit lighter, action wise and quality of fittings etc I would think that again would be a sideways move. So if it was going to spend most of its time sat on a rod rest then the advantage would not be great. Other rods that might be worth a look could be the Maver signature pro's, Tri-cast excellence, Garbolino essential, Preston Supra, all of those would probably be available in your price range and would be at least on par with your Daiwa but would probably feel like a step up like the Acolyte as they will probably be lighter than the Daiwa .

A bit of a wild card if you want something that would do a job yet still be of very good quality could be the Maver MVR's that they currently have on the clearance section of their web site, they are a very nice rod and would handle fish in the 5-9lb bracket but still have the finnese for smaller fish and at the £80 (they were selling for £120-150 not so long ago) they are selling them for they are great value for money

 

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To be fair your Matchwinner (assuming it is the Will Raison version) is not a bad rod and when new had an RRP of £199 so you really need to be careful of spending £100+ on what could possibly be a down grade or at best a sideways move. I suspect that the Cadence rods will be at best a sideways move but more than likely a slight downgrade. If you like the action (some do, some don't) then an Acolyte plus would be a step up, but really only in the fact that it would be a fair bit lighter, action wise and quality of fittings etc I would think that again would be a sideways move. So if it was going to spend most of its time sat on a rod rest then the advantage would not be great. Other rods that might be worth a look could be the Maver signature pro's, Tri-cast excellence, Garbolino essential, Preston Supra, all of those would probably be available in your price range and would be at least on par with your Daiwa but would probably feel like a step up like the Acolyte as they will probably be lighter than the Daiwa .

A bit of a wild card if you want something that would do a job yet still be of very good quality could be the Maver MVR's that they currently have on the clearance section of their web site, they are a very nice rod and would handle fish in the 5-9lb bracket but still have the finnese for smaller fish and at the £80 (they were selling for £120-150 not so long ago) they are selling them for they are great value for money

I have seen that Maver and it does look a very good deal. Regarding the Daiwa Natchwinner, I'm pretty sure I paid around £80 to £100 for it I was lead to believe from some posts I found on another group when I searched for this rod that one of the earlier collar reel seat rids were excellent but mine is the latter screw down dps seat. It's still a very nice rod though. I am leaning towards the acolyte plus though, I must admit I've also just read some great reviews on the free spirit Hi-s float rods but then they are around the £250 price tag.
 

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For my Tench fishing I use a Shimano hyperloop 390. One of the most underrated rods ever made. A brilliant rod for hard fighting fish. Cheap as chips also but, don’t let that put you off. Well capable and perfect for what you require. Some on eBay for as little as 30 quid. 👍
I think they were only £30 new!
 

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I have seen that Maver and it does look a very good deal. Regarding the Daiwa Natchwinner, I'm pretty sure I paid around £80 to £100 for it I was lead to believe from some posts I found on another group when I searched for this rod that one of the earlier collar reel seat rids were excellent but mine is the latter screw down dps seat. It's still a very nice rod though. I am leaning towards the acolyte plus though, I must admit I've also just read some great reviews on the free spirit Hi-s float rods but then they are around the £250 price tag.
Does yours have the blue graphics like the one below ?

If so these are a very different animal to the original Matchwinner (these had red graphics) which was a mid range float rod from the early/mid 90's they were OK but nowhere near as good as the two rods that sat above them in the range those being the Amorphous whisker and Conniesour. If it is one of the original rods then most of the rods mentioned will be an upgrade however if it is the later one then be careful as for modern commercial type fishing this is a very good rod.


I have not seen the free spirit rods but from what I have read they seem a nice rod however they seemed to aimed slightly more towards the bigger fish than being a true allrounder. The Acolyte plus for me is an allrounder in that it will handle larger fish but not feel over gunned for silvers, the only issue for me is I do not like the action, I feel it is to soft in the middle section and just doesn't feel right but that is just a personal thing and there are plenty of people that like them just not for me. I think the signature pro is a nicer all round rod than the Acolyte plus and only marginally heavier and available for similar money
 

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I think they were only £30 new!
Being a tight Yorkshireman I waited and my mate gave me one. 🤣🤣. They are a grand rod for larger hard fighting fish on the float though. I’d offer the seller a fiver and take it from there. 🙄🤣🤣
 
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