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Northantslad

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So, the massive Trent Barbel thread............

Mulled it over a bit more today, and whilst it (use of depth/fish finders) isn't something i would do, 90% of the get right for Barbel is location, may be valuable if all other options- such as homework and networking have been exhausted. I can see how it wouldn't be something in the armoury of a watercraft purist. Opens up a whole new debate potentially, that of and in terms of Barbelling; On what do you base your decision on where to head, so there is this river..........

Trial and error and work it out through watercraft and several trips- if you have the time, which is in turn dictated by badly you 'need' to catch/tolerate the lean spells in trying.
Look at match reports- good if the weight breakdowns are specified, as i don't think anymore a large weight on a Barbel peg can still be assumed to be Barbel, with Bream and larger roach thriving in similar pegs nowadays.
Speak to others on the bank- if and it can be a big if, they are willing to share some info.
Speak to others in advance on a dedicated forum/thread.
Read reports/threads and head where everyone else does.
Use technology to decide on a stretch/peg.

Overall, and personally speaking, i put that one last as i feel there is much at peoples disposal to use and potentially more efficient too.

On the forum point (only one i use) i feel a real good bunch of Barbelists is growing and it's very enjoyable to read able people's days and also contribute to the reports.
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I think you missed "observation" ... just walking the bank and seeing a barbel leap, roll or flash ... or would you class that in watercraft? That's how i caught my first ever double ... out walking my dog :) (fwiw Martin bowler wrote about that very peg in one of his books - but I found it before him)


I also think there's one between your first two - talk to the match anglers - they're far less secretive about where the barbel pegs are!
They might be a bit more tight lipped about exactly where to chuck ...

FWIW I don't have a problem with the technology point .... it's just like a more detailed version of a peg rundown like the old one for the Trent that Bob Roberts posted on his blog site recently.
 

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I've had a few pointers on the best pegs from the forum including from yourself @Northantslad and they have been spot on so far. I now know a few decent pegs and temptation is always to fish them, when I go to new stretches I might have to use some watercraft. On the stretches I do fish, I usually ask other anglers what they've caught and it usually confirms my suspicions that me getting there early and nabbing the pegs I want is worthwhile.
 

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The debate about whether to use a depth / fish finder has been interesting. As a very new newcomer to the pursuit of barbel I can certainly see one being very useful. For me it would cut down the years required to build up the experience in reading the river bed, where I do draw the line is in finding fish.

I could cast a lead out to various marks searching for a drop off or depression in the river bed, but wouldn't that disturb any barbel that were already in the swim, whereas a depth finder would provide much more information with a lot less casts ?
 

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I've had a few pointers on the best pegs from the forum including from yourself @Northantslad and they have been spot on so far. I now know a few decent pegs and temptation is always to fish them, when I go to new stretches I might have to use some watercraft. On the stretches I do fish, I usually ask other anglers what they've caught and it usually confirms my suspicions that me getting there early and nabbing the pegs I want is worthwhile.

Always a good sign when a there is a walk, a pause and then continue the walk behind you and not for the person who chose to have a lay in. Tiring work getting THE pegs.

One place we fish, every session without fail, cars turn up, look down the stretch at the occupied pegs and drive off again. In that situation and given the effort and trip involved, i would use that to force me to try out other pegs.
 

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The debate about whether to use a depth / fish finder has been interesting. As a very new newcomer to the pursuit of barbel I can certainly see one being very useful. For me it would cut down the years required to build up the experience in reading the river bed, where I do draw the line is in finding fish.

I could cast a lead out to various marks searching for a drop off or depression in the river bed, but wouldn't that disturb any barbel that were already in the swim, whereas a depth finder would provide much more information with a lot less casts ?
I 've allocated hours of my time to dragging a lead across the bottom of the Trent Kev and trying to understand the bottom and contours. How long my mental map of certain pegs last is generally from one flood to the next as you well know, the river bed changes constantly. Doesnt stop me doing it though. I love it. Folk think I'm mad. Maybe I am. Im sure Im not the only one .... Am I ? ??
 

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I 've allocated hours of my time to dragging a lead across the bottom of the Trent Kev and trying to understand the bottom and contours. How long my mental map of certain pegs last is generally from one flood to the next as you well know, the river bed changes constantly. Doesnt stop me doing it though. I love it. Folk think I'm mad. Maybe I am. Im sure Im not the only one .... Am I ? ??

Yes you are :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

It's surprised me what I remember from O Level Geography - mind you it was my favourite subject. If you need to know how an Ox-bow lake is formed, I'm your man. :D:D
 

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Yes you are :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

It's surprised me what I remember from O Level Geography - mind you it was my favourite subject. If you need to know how an Ox-bow lake is formed, I'm your man. :D:D
Is that where a severe bend in a river comes together and forms a ' U ' shaped lake where the local farmer then throws 20 x F1's in and charges you £12 a day to fish it ? Yesh, we 've a couple of those up here. ???
 

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@tipitinmick if you are going to chuck a lead in so many times, you need to get a magnetic one, you could catch something with that.:cautious::sneaky::D:D
 

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@tipitinmick if you are going to chuck a lead in so many times, you need to get a magnetic one, you could catch something with that.:cautious::sneaky::D:D
Mmmmmmm, theyve started doing that on our local canal Kev. Up and down the banks theres heaps of rusty scrap metal. Should be a law against it. ?
 

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Mmmmmmm, theyve started doing that on our local canal Kev. Up and down the banks theres heaps of rusty scrap metal. Should be a law against it. ?

Agree with you there Mick, a good grenade catch, would soon sort the problem out.
 

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Agree with you there Mick, a good grenade catch, would soon sort the problem out.
I wouldnt mind if they took the rusty old nails and screws off the bank but, they dont and people walk they're dogs on there. I can see a dog coming a cropper one day if nothing is done. Same down your way pal ? ??
 

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I wouldnt mind if they took the rusty old nails and screws off the bank but, they dont and people walk they're dogs on there. I can see a dog coming a cropper one day if nothing is done. Same down your way pal ? ??

The nearest canal is Grantham Canal that is disused and more full of reeds & weeds than water, along most of it. There is a turning circle at Hickling Notts that I keep meaning to try on the whip for roach....

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Most of the river stretches I fish have : no matches, few if any other anglers, no (or very little) info from the local tackle shop etc. In other words I’m (along with a mate or two) starting pretty much from scratch. Any available info on past fish captures would be considered - but needs to be verified......which is often impossible!

our approach these days would be to walk the entire stretch and study the geography of the surrounding areas - so where are the nearest weirs/locks etc. That tells us how far the fish can move. Then we would work out the best access points.

Then we would use a castable echo sounder (or a boat mounted equivalent if available) To give us an idea of relative depths throughout the stretch. The basic idea is to find shallow bits/deep holes etc that aren’t obvious at first glance. After that some possible swims might be plumbed with a rod and marker set up.

as an example we Looked at a quiet stretch of the Severn a few years back. The first day we walked it with a Castable sounder and found an average depth of around 15ft. One area was significantly shallower (10-12ft) and we found a couple of much deeper areas approaching 20ft close in. the shallow bit produced numbers of barbel the following Summer and the first time I fished one of the deep marginal spots I caught a double figure zander.

if, and it is a big if we decide to actually fish it, then we would study the prevailing weather patterns to find an approaching period of suitable conditions (Species specific). We would then bait (very sparingly) a handful of swims A couple of times approaching the weather window and then IF the weather cooperates, we would actually go and fish it. Then we would record what happens for future reference - to try and build a database of where/when and how to fish that specific bit of river.

just for the record, the approach would be pretty similar on a Stillwater - but there might be a bit more info to go on. But I would still map swims etc to understand the lake geography and effect of various wind directions Etc etc before I actually fished. I would probably lightly Pre- bait swims too .

in the old days we would have plumbed likely swims with a rod and maybe missed the non-obvious features that The sounder is so good at uncovering. The sounder is simply a time saver at the recce stage - you still have to go and catch the fish. The machine doesn’t do that for you !
 

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The nearest canal is Grantham Canal that is disused and more full of reeds & weeds than water, along most of it. There is a turning circle at Hickling Notts that I keep meaning to try on the whip for roach....

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When I come off the A1 southbound at the Grantham / Melton Mawbray turn off to visit my mate there is a tiny overgrown canal on my left which looks like it heads to Grantham. Is this the Grantham canal Kev ?
 

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When I come off the A1 southbound at the Grantham / Melton Mawbray turn off to visit my mate there is a tiny overgrown canal on my left which looks like it heads to Grantham. Is this the Grantham canal Kev ?

Yes Mick although the part with some water in it runs from the other side of the A1 upto join the Trent. Parts of it are navigable and the Canal & River Trust are restoring it, but from the Trent end. Grantham Canal.
 

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Im lucky in that i have a couple of angler friends who are very good anglers. Both work in the industry now and they are father and son. The dad has spent all his life fishing there isnt a local water he doesnt know. The son was a fantastic local match angler and now turned speci angler who travels all the over the country targeting all species of fish. Both are very open with information and if they dont know they have a fantastic network of people they can ask. Im fairly sure they could help me 99%of the time should i need it so this kind of technology isn’t something I feel i would ever need
 

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You are a lucky man!

Inside and up to date info is the best shortcut to catching (big) fish that there is.

I fish/have fished with some of the best specialist anglers in the land, so we can usually work out how waters tick fairly quickly. Most of it is based on past experience of other similar places. But to find the common ‘features’, You need the base info on depths/bottom make up etc And that is where the technology helps in time saving.

Having said all that we still all have ‘bogey’ waters were we can’t catch fish, but others can.....on one stretch of river I’ve actually ‘guided’ 2 people to 13lb plus barbel - but I cant catch them myself. Very strange.
 
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