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'River Man'
Sep 13, 2001
hi lads pinched this from another site

Tie your hair loop before tying the no knot.

Tie a hair loop by folding the leading line back on itself to form a length of doubled line. Create a circle by overlapping the doubled line and pass one turn of the leading end through the circle to form an overhand knot.

Pull steadily to close down to make your hair loop. Trim tail for tag end.

Tip ... For a good visual guide to the length of hair you require, mount a bait to the hair loop temporarily and measure 'hair' distance before you start to tie. (no need for a boily stop unless you have drilled the grand canyon!). Remove the boily once desired hair length is chosen and proceed to tie the hook.


Lay the leading line along the shank of the hook. Thread line through the eye ensuring line exits from inside of eye. Determine length of hair you require. Once the hair is held in position make your first turn (whip) over the shank in a clockwise direction. Ensure first turn is snuggled up tight against the eye.

Continue winding turns down the shank away from the eye.

Keeping sustained tension on the line make your final turn. Grip turns to stop them unravelling. Pass leading line back over the turns and through the eye to exit on the inside.

Using steady pressure ease the leading end tight to compress the knot.

Finally to complete your rig tie a swivel to the end of your hooklength using a grinner knot, see grinner knot instructions.


Some brands of hooks have poorly closed eyes with a tiny gap evident. When using low diameter lines ensure the line cannot slip through the gap and into the eye when making your first turn. If in any doubt simply reverse the direction of turns by whipping anti-clockwise, towards yourself, this will prevent slippage taking place.

When whipping along the shank apply constant sustained tension to each turn. Ensure all turns lie parallel, closely snuggled up. If a loose turn becomes evident simply unwind to your last good turn erasing the problem area. once done, continue to wind.

How many turns you make is dependent on the size of your hook, your chosen angle of the hair from the hook, or the diameter of the line you are using. Large or long shank hooks obviously require more turns than smaller hooks.

Regardless of hook size whip at least five turns along shank for total knot security.

Many anglers preferred method is to wind sufficient turns only stopping when they are happy with the angle of the hair. As a suggested starting point try making your final turn a few millimetres above hookpoint level. Those who require greater degree of 'hair movement should use less turns for a higher hair exit point.

After completing your turns should you find that the hair is too short simply unwind to the eye, reposition hair length and start your turns again.


Pass leading line twice through the eye leaving yourself a decent length to work with. Bring leading line back away from the eye and position it to run parallel with line. You now have two separate sections of line, the standing line going into the eye and the leading line coming out of the eye.

Using finger and thumb grip the hook along with the two separate sections to represent a length of doubled line. Once held allow the leading line to simply drop down vertical and hang loose from the main doubled section.

Pick up the dropped line and lift it back up to sit alongside the standing line to create a circle (open loop). Using finger and thumb grip the top of the circle along with standing line and now you are ready to put your turns through the partly formed grinner.

Making over and under turns pass the leading line in a clockwise direction to coil around the top of the circle and the standing line four or five times.

Once your final turn is completed pass the leading line through and out of the circle to finish construction ready to partially close the knot.

Tip... When forming a loop for a grinner make it larger to begin with, (its easier to pass line through big loops). As you become more proficient and your tying speed increases reduce the size of the loops.


To close down a grinner draw the knot together by applying slow steady gentle pressure to the tag end. The turns you have made will start to twist, contract, and gather together snake-like in ever decreasing coils to form the main body or barrel of the knot. Apply a slight amount of tension to the doubled line from the eye to give good shape to the barrel.

Do not pull too hard on the hooklength or tag end. Heavy pressure at this stage does nothing but create a tightly compressed knot barrel which creates curly tails in mono. Curly mono problems... see tying tips.

The knot barrel should be perfectly formed but not over-tight, it should be firm enough to handle but have sufficient slack and be loose enough to travel freely and smoothly without hindrance to the eye of the hook or swivel.

Bring the knot to the eye by applying slow steady tension to the standing line. Do not snatch. When the knot barrel reaches the eye and cannot travel further apply firm tension to the lines to fully close the knot. Finish the grinner by using a sharp blade or scissors to trim off tail for tag end.


For Stiff Rigs

Note - this knot has never appeared in any angling publication. Learn to tie it and teach it to the old hands on the lake, they will be well impressed I can assure you.

About 99% of anglers who use loops for stiff rigs use the traditional bulky Figure of Eight knot. They fish on blissfully unaware that their chosen knot has severely strangulated, weakened and reduced the breaking strain of the line. When using large diameter strong line for stiff rigs any loss in strength is countered by the thick line, although much weakened most of the time it still has sufficient strength to play and land most fish.

However, when scaling down to say 10lb, 12lb, or 15lb mono, occasional fish are lost due to the poor design of the knot. The Non Slip Loop Knot has no such weakness. It is easy to tie, its not bulky and, most importantly, it does not weaken or strangulate the line. For decades it has been widely used by saltwater sports and big game anglers using very light line to subdue monster tarpon, marlin and other hard fighting turbo powered creatures who rip line off the reel at a rate of knots. They use it because it is the best and strongest loop knot possible to tie when chasing line class records.

Any angler who uses loop knots and is serious about catching big fish should learn to tie this superb knot and dump the notorious figure of eight loop in the bin where it belongs.

Should you doubt how good this knot is take a piece of line and tie a Figure Eight Loop Knot in one end and a Non Slip Loop Knot in the other end. Place a screwdriver, or any other object you can get a good grip on, through each loop and pull each knot against each other. If you have tied them correctly do not be surprised when the line tied with the figure eight knot easily breaks every time, often with minimum pressure.

To tie the Non Slip Loop Knot, form a simple overhand knot but do not pull fully tight. Close knot down to leave small circle large enough to pass a section of line through.

At this stage if swivel is required pass leading line once through eye.

Create a loop by passing leading line back through the top of the open overhand knot to exit below open knot.

Wind four turns of leading line around standing line below open knot.

Pass leading line back through open knot.

Pull on tag end and loop to close open knot. Trim tail to form tag end.

All of these knots are tried tested and trusted by many experienced anglers. Use them with complete confidence for they will not let you down. After tying your knot examine it carefully. Should you be in any doubt scrap it and start again. For the sake of a minutes work why risk losing the fish of a lifetime when it may be your only chance. The old adage practice makes perfect has never been more correct when applied to tying knots.

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paul mc

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Jan 14, 2002
heres a couple more with some good animations as well

Regards Paul Mc
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