Immigration, WTF is going on.

Chris Calder

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Two years now this has been going on for, so no excuses for not finding a solution, once the weather get's better another 1000 a day will be coming.
What happens when the Hotels are all full ?
This is going to blow up big style.
 

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Two years now this has been going on for, so no excuses for not finding a solution, once the weather get's better another 1000 a day will be coming.
What happens when the Hotels are all full ?
This is going to blow up big style.
The only solutions are ones that snowflakes, charities, European Court of Human Rights, The UN etc will find unpalatable. Plus, while you have other countries providing assistance to get migrants across their borders to elsewhere I’m not sure what the UK can actually do…..I’d be interested to hear your ideas though.
 

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The only solutions are ones that snowflakes, charities, European Court of Human Rights, The UN etc will find unpalatable. Plus, while you have other countries providing assistance to get migrants across their borders to elsewhere I’m not sure what the UK can actually do…..I’d be interested to hear your ideas though.
What they should be doing is fast tracking their asylum status, I heard on the news the other day that a lot of the staff processing the migrants are mostly new staff and low paid, I don't know how the government allowed that to happen when there has been a steady influx for two years.

If they were fast tracked and most denied permission to stay in the UK and deported back to country of origin ,even paying them to go 1st class.
Surely by fast tracking them and deporting them straight away this would be a deterrent to others wanting to come.

What is the % who have been processed? last time I heard it was something like 3% , that's just incompetence from the Government.

I don't blame the European court the UN or the French, the blame lies squarely with this current Conservative Government for the slow processing of the immigrants.
Even listening to the politicians whichever party they are they seem to be careful with words so as to sound compassionate, FFS we may as well just lay ferries on for them.
 

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We shouldn’t need to fast track them as most of them are here illegally. The blame lies in those countries aiding & abetting the people smugglers & countries facilitating the movement of illegal immigrants. Blame the Government all you like but I’ve yet to hear any other party’s master plan to get this under control. They’re a bit like yourself, it seems, happy to criticise but no idea how to solve the problem either. If the French didn’t practically escort the boats to British waters maybe there’d be less on UK beaches everyday.

I don’t know the procedure for processing asylum seekers or how long it takes or how many staff there are currently doing the job nor how long it takes new staff to be trained but I doubt they’re purposely dragging their feet. Personally, I think the UK should be stopping the boats reaching the beaches with a firmer strategy. The Rwanda option sounds good to me too as we should deter illegals from making the trip in the first place. As I said - unpalatable methods to some……..
 

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300 hotels now being used to house immigrants

why are they not complaining of play areas for their children/wives? I have stayed at the Russ Hill at Gatport. We must apologise to the illegals that our hospitality is not as one would have expected due to their standards from where they are running from were far more higher.

What were they expecting? Sydney Oprah house perhaps? the hanging gardens of Babylon? herds of Wilderbeast sweeping majestically....
 

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Blame the Government all you like but I’ve yet to hear any other party’s master plan to get this under control. They’re a bit like yourself, it seems, happy to criticise but no idea how to solve the problem either.
I think some would be quite happy to have an 'open door' policy then there would be no asylum applications to process - job done, numbers down to zero, and then let the mayhem and consequential issues be passed on to local councils, charities, and communities to contend with.
I'm all for providing safe refuge to genuine asylum seekers, those fleeing persecution and harm, however when floods of economic migrants come to this country and in turn disrupt our economy, cost our taxpayers unpalatable amounts, etc, then something has to be done.
 

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For many, turning up illegally is the only way to get the legal status they maybe entitled to. This is one of the main reasons for the crossings.

This may help explain.....





Sorry if it's about politicians but they are the only ones who can do anything about the situation
 

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For many, turning up illegally is the only way to get the legal status they maybe entitled to. This is one of the main reasons for the crossings
I'll just correct that for you.....

For many, turning up illegally is the only way to get the legal status they maybe entitled to wish for. This is one of the main reasons for the crossings
 

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I'll just correct that for you.....

For many, turning up illegally is the only way to get the legal status they maybe entitled to wish for. This is one of the main reasons for the crossings
I'll agree but for many it isnt. Even Bravermann is admitting that those coming over on small boats are doing so legally when applying for asylum.
 

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For many, turning up illegally is the only way to get the legal status they maybe entitled to. This is one of the main reasons for the crossings.

This may help explain.....





Sorry if it's about politicians but they are the only ones who can do anything about the situation

With your track record of Twitter postings I’ll give it a miss, thanks.
 

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A large percentage of the world will see conflict or religious persecution.
Should we just open our arms to all that can utilise the script?
Yes there will be some that do have siblings here but in the case of some nations with tribal heritage and large families that then encompasses a lot of people.

There was a discussion on a radio station this week about three late 30s Iraqis who had applied for asylum in Germany and after 3 years lost their appeals.
They then spent 2 years in the Netherlands and lost their appeals.
Guess after succesful appeals where they are living now.
One was a known supporter of Saddam and this formed part of his German rejection.

We are too soft in everything and it will destroy us in the end.
 

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Foreign students can bring 4 members of their family with them. 😳
Just heard that on the radio.
 

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Blame the Government all you like but I’ve yet to hear any other party’s master plan to get this under control. They’re a bit like yourself, it seems, happy to criticise but no idea how to solve the problem either. If the French didn’t practically escort the boats to British waters maybe there’d be less on UK beaches everyday.

I don’t know the procedure for processing asylum seekers or how long it takes or how many staff there are currently doing the job nor how long it takes new staff to be trained but I doubt they’re purposely dragging their feet. Personally, I think the UK should be stopping the boats reaching the beaches with a firmer strategy.
Why should other party's give the government the solution to the problem, the worse it is for the government the more chances of loosing votes.
I saw a report on tv last week saying there was a lack of experienced staff to cope with processing and it was very low paid, it also reported the system they have in place for trying to track and establish the fact about the Asylum seekers is cumbersome and not fit for purpose.

You say you don't think they are purposely dragging their feet, yet they have had this ongoing for 2 years, and only 3% or so processed.

You can't blame the French for letting them through, Britain would do the same.
The Rwanda idea was probably the best , process them somewhere else because it looks like our MP's are incapable of setting up a professional and quick processing procedure.
 

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The only solutions are ones that snowflakes, charities, European Court of Human Rights, The UN etc will find unpalatable. Plus, while you have other countries providing assistance to get migrants across their borders to elsewhere I’m not sure what the UK can actually do…..I’d be interested to hear your ideas though.
The answer is simple, very simple. Pick up the migrants mid channel and then drop them back off on a French beach where they came from. Keep doing this until they get the message. Whoever makes this happen will become a hero in the UK. What about the French, yes what about the French. If they complain then they are part of the problem and we can stop giving them £50 million year to stop this happening. Simple really.
 

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Why should other party's give the government the solution to the problem, the worse it is for the government the more chances of loosing votes.
I saw a report on tv last week saying there was a lack of experienced staff to cope with processing and it was very low paid, it also reported the system they have in place for trying to track and establish the fact about the Asylum seekers is cumbersome and not fit for purpose.

You say you don't think they are purposely dragging their feet, yet they have had this ongoing for 2 years, and only 3% or so processed.

You can't blame the French for letting them through, Britain would do the same.
The Rwanda idea was probably the best , process them somewhere else because it looks like our MP's are incapable of setting up a professional and quick processing procedure.
Obviously you are privvy to to more factual information than I am regarding the competency of staff processing visas. I can & do blame the French for the part they are playing regarding the Channel crossings. How on Earth do you know ‘Britain would bo the same’? You appear to have a lot of certainty about things that are pure speculation - but crack on you‘ll not be short of support.
 

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Obviously you are privvy to to more factual information than I am regarding the competency of staff processing visas. I can & do blame the French for the part they are playing regarding the Channel crossings. How on Earth do you know ‘Britain would bo the same’? You appear to have a lot of certainty about things that are pure speculation - but crack on you‘ll not be short of support.
ha ha ,it's just a point of view just like yours is Reuben :ROFLMAO:the world would be a boring place if we all thought the same! but I'll continue to crack on. and the information on staff processing was taken from tv which you obviously did not watch, the low % processed proves the point.

But you do have a point that the French should be doing more even looking at it from a safety point of view, I suppose we will see a big disaster with a loss of life for France to act.
 

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I think they are here to stay now , with more to follow.
I doubt it. We're taking back control of our borders.

Given the recent rise of the far right in France there will be a lot of people there who think their leaders are not doing enough to encourage immigrants to leave for Britain
 
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