- Dec 3, 2006
Bus pass varies area to area, can't get mine until 66.
Your first 4 lines make at lot of sense, I'm the same as you in that way of thinking,As for Neil of the Nene he fishes how he wants too , he has no need to buy a top of the range 16 meter pole and can get by with less expensive tackle ,I do take the p@ss But his my friend and respect his way of fishing .My skill level has never been high enough to justify spending £2-3k on a pole, or £300 on a rod, hence why my pole cost £400 and my rods £30 a pop... that said, you get out what you put in... if spending an arm and a leg is justified by your results then my argument is moot, but there does seem to be a modicum of peer pressure... almost akin to a schoolkids new trainers situation... but I digress... my own path has taken a different route... I no longer compete at club or open levels, so I feel no need to buy any more carbon gear... and I now have plenty of vintage tackle to see me into my pine overcoat....
There really is no need to spend a bomb on gear to get you started of course... my main beef with tackle firms is new for new sake, or gear that solves problems that don't exist... (trakker baccy pouch anyone) but all of us has a little of the tackle tart inside... if it feels good do it...?
Since I’ve taken up pole fishing I’m now on my third pole (tricast excellence pro) each upgrade has resulted in me catching more fish! My previous pole was a Map 501 which was fine fishing up to 13m but the difference fishing at 16m is massive which has definitely helped my results. Not only is my excellence pro more responsive and stiffer it’s a lot more tougher regarding breakages which has saved me money.
I invested in new rollers as my previous ones were V type which were prone to blowing over, again there is a notable difference having a good sturdy rollers with long extendable legs. With reels, rods etc yes they all do the same thing but again when you compare cheap to top end there is a notable difference to how they perform.
Niel if you’ve only used cheap products then maybe you’re not aware of the difference top end tackle can make especially at a higher standard of match fishing were it’s the little things that count. I know you can catch fish but at times you do come across as quite blinkered as in “I do ok so why should I change” but there is a reason top anglers use more expensive tackle and it’s not just to look pretty.
And...........................i'm finished with me dinnerI thought about the Whicker one... they are actually dearer than a plain pine one... plus there are issues with "Leakage"
Do you make cage feeders mate? I need a few, most of mine are in various trees dotted around LincolnshireI got my bus pass at age 63 but I don't know if it's a region thing. I got heating allowance about the same time. No harm in making a few enquiries into it.
As for cost of gear (or lack of cost). I make my own floats (wagglers), I re-use line when replacing it. (hook lengths etc.). I make my own Carp leads/feeders. I look round different places if I need a rod or reel so really I keep costs to a minimum. I don't necessarily buy the cheapest but I do buy what I feel comfortable in using, and if the same make/model is available a tenner cheaper then fine. I can't see me buying anything tackle wise now for quite a while unless something gets broke, as I'm happy with what I have.
And...........................i'm finished with me dinner
Do you make cage feeders mate? I need a few, most of mine are in various trees dotted around Lincolnshire
That's pretty much how I feel I did fish at top level be it before commercials came to dominate and if I was still fishing at that level I would spend more. A thing I would add is what venues you fish can make a difference, of the matches I fish I would only see the benefit of a better pole on one maybe two at most as fishing short is most productive method on most. The one that would benefit from a better pole is a snake lake and it difficult to fish the far bank comfortably, as I don't take the matches as seriously as I would have in the past I fish method to far bank which has proved to be effective.I would not disagree with you. Perhaps if I spent my £3000 on a flagship pole I may consider fishing at 16m. But that would not add to the pleasure I get from fishing. It may improve my results, it may not.
I have progressed over the years from 6 & 7 metre telescopic fibreglass poles to my first take apart carbon pole that was 10 metres. Then as I realised I was being beaten by people able to fish the far side of the canal that needed 13 & 14 metres I upgraded. Commercials came along and I needed something long & strong. But since purchasing a 16m pole I have gradually realised that in many situations I can be competitive fishing shorter. In turn this led to me buying a shorter dedicated margin pole and that, over time, has become my pole of choice in the Summer months. I carry both poles all the time and, despite ideas to the contrary, can fish at 13 & 14 metres if I feel I have to. But if I am catching well enough at 2+2 why change?
The reason for my starting this thread was to point out that in order to enjoy fishing you do not need to spend thousands. Those starting out or those on limited means need to understand that they will be able to fish well enough with cheaper gear. That is not always the impression given by reading some threads on here.
I fully accept that when progressing up the competition ladder you will need to invest, and it is an investment, in better and more expensive tackle. But that is not the purpose of this thread. If I had the ambition to compete with the likes of Scotthorne, Shipp, Hughes, Ringer et al then I would have no issue buying better gear and yes, spending £3000 on a pole. I have never been driven to progress my angling that far. I am content where I am. But it is a nice feeling beating the angler on the next peg using my £50 pole against his £3000 model (and yes I have done that).
I know I sound blinkered. But if you read what I write you will realise I experiment a lot with different things. I think a couple of people that have fished with me will bear testament to that. If I find something that works better, lands me more fish then I will change. If something makes no difference or makes things worse than I will go back to what I was doing. I was exactly the same at work. I sought out and embraced change that produced better results, reduced waste or saved money. That is how I and my team saved £250,000 in my first full year after moving from branch banking to cheque clearing and that with half the staff that did the job before I took over. But I never believed in change for changes sake.