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Going back to Neil's original thread, one of the things that irk me is the comment "buy cheap, buy twice". Cost has nothing to do with the longevity or quality of an item, an example would be floats, the floats I could sell for less than a £ were being made by the same factory and the only difference was mine had bgt.com on them and theirs had their logo, they were selling for more than 50% more. Some lesser known brands can produce a superior product to some of the names at a fraction of the price, obviously there is tat about as well but that goes for the named brands also. It is the quality of the product and functionality in it's intended use that should be the key element in any purchase, not whether it is a name or if it costs more. More expensive does not necessarily mean better.
 

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Obviously cheap doesnt mean bad and expensive doesn't mean good but there is more bad cheap stuff than there is bad expensive stuff as it does tend to be expensive for a reason that being quality of materials and assembly.

I remember my great grandma used to say only a rich man can afford cheap shoes and there's definitely some truth in that!
 

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I spend a reasonable amount £350 box, around £100 for rods £60 reels did get a good deal on a Daiwa tdm pellet rod old model after new model came, got my pole that way Map 501 just after 502 2g came out that was a bargain less than half price. The other rods I've bought lately I've got from BobCo 20% sales. Accessories I tend to buy branded items but get cheapest I like I have no allegiance to particular brand.

Don't match fish as much as I used to if I was still fishing opens regularly and team events as I once did I would buy a better pole, 501 is nice but when fishing across on snake lakes a better pole would help a lot.
 

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Apart from terminal tackle, i've only bought a feeder rod and a shimano baitrunner about 12yrs ago. Rest of kit is second hand or inherited from relatives.
 

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Since I’ve taken up pole fishing I’m now on my third pole (tricast excellence pro) each upgrade has resulted in me catching more fish! My previous pole was a Map 501 which was fine fishing up to 13m but the difference fishing at 16m is massive which has definitely helped my results. Not only is my excellence pro more responsive and stiffer it’s a lot more tougher regarding breakages which has saved me money.
I invested in new rollers as my previous ones were V type which were prone to blowing over, again there is a notable difference having a good sturdy rollers with long extendable legs. With reels, rods etc yes they all do the same thing but again when you compare cheap to top end there is a notable difference to how they perform.
Niel if you’ve only used cheap products then maybe you’re not aware of the difference top end tackle can make especially at a higher standard of match fishing were it’s the little things that count. I know you can catch fish but at times you do come across as quite blinkered as in “I do ok so why should I change” but there is a reason top anglers use more expensive tackle and it’s not just to look pretty.
 

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My skill level has never been high enough to justify spending £2-3k on a pole, or £300 on a rod, hence why my pole cost £400 and my rods £30 a pop... that said, you get out what you put in... if spending an arm and a leg is justified by your results then my argument is moot, but there does seem to be a modicum of peer pressure... almost akin to a schoolkids new trainers situation... but I digress... my own path has taken a different route... I no longer compete at club or open levels, so I feel no need to buy any more carbon gear... and I now have plenty of vintage tackle to see me into my pine overcoat....
There really is no need to spend a bomb on gear to get you started of course... my main beef with tackle firms is new for new sake, or gear that solves problems that don't exist... (trakker baccy pouch anyone) but all of us has a little of the tackle tart inside... if it feels good do it...😃
 

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For a long while I used my "old" gear that I had built up from teenage years to my now venerable 50. It wasn't until I joined a local club and fished my first match I realised how heavy some of my kit (rod/reel) was. Running a small stick float down a 10m run all day for 6 hours - I had serious wrist ache. I have over the last 4 years replaced some of my kit with modern equivalents (Acolytes) and suspect although my catching rate hasn't improved my wrists and back thank me for it.
 

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Im a believer in getting the best you can afford as opposed to getting the best money can buy. Im just starting again and im fully intending on using all my old gear. It was quite expensive back then (end of the 90s) rods all £180+ drennan team england range. I also believe in the old saying of if it aint broke dont fix it and given nothing is broken i wont be replacing just beacuse they are 20+ years old. Back then I could afford higher end stuff but there’s no way i could afford the equivalent now so id either buy new within my budget or look for decent second hand. I know some situations may require something more specialist but for day to day stuff i cant see the need to buy absolute top end
 

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I thought about the Whicker one... they are actually dearer than a plain pine one... plus there are issues with "Leakage":sick:
 

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Spend your money on what you want I have a mixture of old and new tackle . New airity pole and loads of top kits, margin pole to match as well. My river gear is all old connoisseur rods abu reels, shimano match reels. Seat box for commercials is an old matchbox pyramid. Don't see why people bother who as what but it seems the ones who don't spend a lot on tackle are the ones always passing comment about how much it costs. Had it with bait a few years ago at jansons winning a few matches on worm and caster. Then the comments started it's alright for you , you can afford it etc . I was using 1/4 kilo of worm and a pint of casters so not expensive. However the biggest moaner used to spoke 20 fags during a match and then brag he was going to drink a gallon plus of beer the night. His choice I didn't moan I could t afford to do what I did I spent my money on what i wanted
 

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My skill level has never been high enough to justify spending £2-3k on a pole, or £300 on a rod, hence why my pole cost £400 and my rods £30 a pop... that said, you get out what you put in... if spending an arm and a leg is justified by your results then my argument is moot, but there does seem to be a modicum of peer pressure... almost akin to a schoolkids new trainers situation... but I digress... my own path has taken a different route... I no longer compete at club or open levels, so I feel no need to buy any more carbon gear... and I now have plenty of vintage tackle to see me into my pine overcoat....
There really is no need to spend a bomb on gear to get you started of course... my main beef with tackle firms is new for new sake, or gear that solves problems that don't exist... (trakker baccy pouch anyone) but all of us has a little of the tackle tart inside... if it feels good do it...😃
Your first 4 lines make at lot of sense, I'm the same as you in that way of thinking,As for Neil of the Nene he fishes how he wants too , he has no need to buy a top of the range 16 meter pole and can get by with less expensive tackle ,I do take the p@ss But his my friend and respect his way of fishing .
 

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It's nice to have nice kit. Whether that's top of the range or budget, if you like it then that's all that matters. Most of my kit is old stuff I've had for years, but I researched it at the time and bought the best I could afford at the time. I get a lot of stuff i need off the Bay, and I've got what I wanted off there, may have to wait for one to come up, but they mostly do. I bought two new commercial rods last year, but coupled them up with second hand reels, because that's what suited me at the time.

Horses for courses.
 

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Ive got a mixture of new and 2nd hand tackle, being a Yorkshireman i love a bargain :love: even my new gear was bought at bargain prices, dont think ive ever bought anything at rrp, i do a lot of homework before i buy, had some nice bargains from this forum and ebay. (y)
 

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Since I’ve taken up pole fishing I’m now on my third pole (tricast excellence pro) each upgrade has resulted in me catching more fish! My previous pole was a Map 501 which was fine fishing up to 13m but the difference fishing at 16m is massive which has definitely helped my results. Not only is my excellence pro more responsive and stiffer it’s a lot more tougher regarding breakages which has saved me money.
I invested in new rollers as my previous ones were V type which were prone to blowing over, again there is a notable difference having a good sturdy rollers with long extendable legs. With reels, rods etc yes they all do the same thing but again when you compare cheap to top end there is a notable difference to how they perform.
Niel if you’ve only used cheap products then maybe you’re not aware of the difference top end tackle can make especially at a higher standard of match fishing were it’s the little things that count. I know you can catch fish but at times you do come across as quite blinkered as in “I do ok so why should I change” but there is a reason top anglers use more expensive tackle and it’s not just to look pretty.

I would not disagree with you. Perhaps if I spent my £3000 on a flagship pole I may consider fishing at 16m. But that would not add to the pleasure I get from fishing. It may improve my results, it may not.

I have progressed over the years from 6 & 7 metre telescopic fibreglass poles to my first take apart carbon pole that was 10 metres. Then as I realised I was being beaten by people able to fish the far side of the canal that needed 13 & 14 metres I upgraded. Commercials came along and I needed something long & strong. But since purchasing a 16m pole I have gradually realised that in many situations I can be competitive fishing shorter. In turn this led to me buying a shorter dedicated margin pole and that, over time, has become my pole of choice in the Summer months. I carry both poles all the time and, despite ideas to the contrary, can fish at 13 & 14 metres if I feel I have to. But if I am catching well enough at 2+2 why change?

The reason for my starting this thread was to point out that in order to enjoy fishing you do not need to spend thousands. Those starting out or those on limited means need to understand that they will be able to fish well enough with cheaper gear. That is not always the impression given by reading some threads on here.

I fully accept that when progressing up the competition ladder you will need to invest, and it is an investment, in better and more expensive tackle. But that is not the purpose of this thread. If I had the ambition to compete with the likes of Scotthorne, Shipp, Hughes, Ringer et al then I would have no issue buying better gear and yes, spending £3000 on a pole. I have never been driven to progress my angling that far. I am content where I am. But it is a nice feeling beating the angler on the next peg using my £50 pole against his £3000 model (and yes I have done that).

I know I sound blinkered. But if you read what I write you will realise I experiment a lot with different things. I think a couple of people that have fished with me will bear testament to that. If I find something that works better, lands me more fish then I will change. If something makes no difference or makes things worse than I will go back to what I was doing. I was exactly the same at work. I sought out and embraced change that produced better results, reduced waste or saved money. That is how I and my team saved £250,000 in my first full year after moving from branch banking to cheque clearing and that with half the staff that did the job before I took over. But I never believed in change for changes sake.
 

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I thought about the Whicker one... they are actually dearer than a plain pine one... plus there are issues with "Leakage":sick:
And...........................i'm finished with me dinner
I got my bus pass at age 63 but I don't know if it's a region thing. I got heating allowance about the same time. No harm in making a few enquiries into it.

As for cost of gear (or lack of cost). I make my own floats (wagglers), I re-use line when replacing it. (hook lengths etc.). I make my own Carp leads/feeders. I look round different places if I need a rod or reel so really I keep costs to a minimum. I don't necessarily buy the cheapest but I do buy what I feel comfortable in using, and if the same make/model is available a tenner cheaper then fine. I can't see me buying anything tackle wise now for quite a while unless something gets broke, as I'm happy with what I have.
Do you make cage feeders mate? I need a few, most of mine are in various trees dotted around Lincolnshire:cry:
 

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And...........................i'm finished with me dinner

Do you make cage feeders mate? I need a few, most of mine are in various trees dotted around Lincolnshire:cry:

Usually yes, but with this lockdown thing, I can't get the mesh. At the moment, I've only got the inline leads ready and I'm running out of that too.
 

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I would not disagree with you. Perhaps if I spent my £3000 on a flagship pole I may consider fishing at 16m. But that would not add to the pleasure I get from fishing. It may improve my results, it may not.

I have progressed over the years from 6 & 7 metre telescopic fibreglass poles to my first take apart carbon pole that was 10 metres. Then as I realised I was being beaten by people able to fish the far side of the canal that needed 13 & 14 metres I upgraded. Commercials came along and I needed something long & strong. But since purchasing a 16m pole I have gradually realised that in many situations I can be competitive fishing shorter. In turn this led to me buying a shorter dedicated margin pole and that, over time, has become my pole of choice in the Summer months. I carry both poles all the time and, despite ideas to the contrary, can fish at 13 & 14 metres if I feel I have to. But if I am catching well enough at 2+2 why change?

The reason for my starting this thread was to point out that in order to enjoy fishing you do not need to spend thousands. Those starting out or those on limited means need to understand that they will be able to fish well enough with cheaper gear. That is not always the impression given by reading some threads on here.

I fully accept that when progressing up the competition ladder you will need to invest, and it is an investment, in better and more expensive tackle. But that is not the purpose of this thread. If I had the ambition to compete with the likes of Scotthorne, Shipp, Hughes, Ringer et al then I would have no issue buying better gear and yes, spending £3000 on a pole. I have never been driven to progress my angling that far. I am content where I am. But it is a nice feeling beating the angler on the next peg using my £50 pole against his £3000 model (and yes I have done that).

I know I sound blinkered. But if you read what I write you will realise I experiment a lot with different things. I think a couple of people that have fished with me will bear testament to that. If I find something that works better, lands me more fish then I will change. If something makes no difference or makes things worse than I will go back to what I was doing. I was exactly the same at work. I sought out and embraced change that produced better results, reduced waste or saved money. That is how I and my team saved £250,000 in my first full year after moving from branch banking to cheque clearing and that with half the staff that did the job before I took over. But I never believed in change for changes sake.
That's pretty much how I feel I did fish at top level be it before commercials came to dominate and if I was still fishing at that level I would spend more. A thing I would add is what venues you fish can make a difference, of the matches I fish I would only see the benefit of a better pole on one maybe two at most as fishing short is most productive method on most. The one that would benefit from a better pole is a snake lake and it difficult to fish the far bank comfortably, as I don't take the matches as seriously as I would have in the past I fish method to far bank which has proved to be effective.
 

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I've had a few decent cheap purchases.

Stillwater MatchStix rubberised 20" match landing net for £5
Stillwater MatchStix 11ft carp feeder rod for £20
Stillwater Shuriken 11ft pellet waggler rod for £16
Stillwater commercial waggler float set in tube for about £4

None of it cheap that, punches well above its weight.
 
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