Hooks how many ?

[PearTree]

I wouldn't be surprised if Fugly-fisher has taken up golf after wading through some of the posts on this thread

The only pert things i'm interested in live in bras

I'm a match angler so I have a decent selection of the hooks that I know I will use on the venues I fish tied up and ready to go.

The maximum I have of any one combination is 10 hooks. Lesser used ones are tied up in batches of 6. I can't ever remember running out of a particular tied up hook on a match. I top up the packets on a fairly regular basis though. I don't mind tying hooks up a home, preparation being half the battle as they say.

I keep them in paper packets in a hook wallet for reasons I've gone into on previous threads on the subject. The space they take up in my box is minimal.

I have tended to tie hooks from size 14 and upwards on the bank as I don't use them that often on my fishing (generally bomb / lobby). This season though I am going to invest in some of those eva spools so I have few ready to go.

 

[robert d]

I've just been tieing some hooks, but where do you stop how many patterns and size to what diameter of line, where do you draw the line, thats just spade end for the river, I don't do much commercial fishing but if I did the options are endless band spike rapid stop lasso.

How do you decide what to tie, do you tie for a venue or just have a standard selection. How many boxes ?

I've decided on 3 boxes one 10cm 5 pegs for method and 1x30cm for barbless with 10 pegs and 1x30cm barbed with 20 pegs. Oh and 4 spools of feeder hooks.

I have hooklengths of most sizes from 20 to 0.11 to 12 to 0.22 , this covers the majority of my fishing needs . I have many more than i need but id rather it that way . The old saying be prepared or prepare to fail is correct . Most match anglers carry a vast variety of tied hooklengths and were talking ounces not lbs .

 

[chefster]

You dont know. Which was my entire point in the first place of saying 'hey what about using this to increase your efficiency as an angler?'

Do you not want to even at least try and get better at fishing?

I don’t understand how you could possibly make a comment like that to @Maesknoll ,someone who is probably the best match angler on this forum I give up

 

[Roger_feederer]

I don’t understand how you could possibly make a comment like that to @Maesknoll ,someone who is probably the best match angler on this forum I give up

I dont care if its jamie hughes. I thought they might be interested in something that could potentially help them improve. Obviously not since any mention of adapting and applying proven techniques is met with mockery and petty arguments about poxy slivers hooks.

But yeah, you lot carry on on newcomers who bring up ideas, thats sure to work well in the long run.

 

[Neil ofthe nene]

Surely the whole point is that we are free to do what we want as regards to our approach to fishing. What suits one does not suit another.

I get confidence from trying to keep my tackle choices limited. Others get it from getting the fine details "right" including carrying many variations of rigs and hooks/hooklengths. No one is right or wrong.

As long as we all enjoy what we do does it matter how we do it and what advice we do or do not take on board?

Different is not wrong, just different.

 

[Maesknoll]

Do you not want to even at least try and get better at fishing?

Of course, I change as necessary, I adapt, I learn from others, I learn from mistakes and I learn from success. Every day is a learning day, I still don’t see how restricting myself by not having something I need in match with me, how that could improve my results. If I take 5 hook boxes or 6 hook boxes doesn’t affect anything, except my options and options are good, taking 6 might mean getting an edge, having 5 might mean I’m missing a pattern I want.

I suspect the main thing that could make me better would be a time machine, so my aching bones cope better with fishing 16m, but at the moment I can still do it, so perhaps the time machine can wait a couple of years.

I am totally understanding that if I carry something that makes a difference in 1/100 matches it’s worth it, carrying costs nothing, if I don’t feel I need it I don’t get tempted to use it, I think it’s you that doesn’t understand.

 

[Maesknoll]

I dont care if its jamie hughes. I thought they might be interested in something that could potentially help them improve. Obviously not since any mention of adapting and applying proven techniques is met with mockery and petty arguments about poxy slivers hooks.

But yeah, you lot carry on on newcomers who bring up ideas, thats sure to work well in the long run.

You were the one who suggested cutting up hooklengths if they weren’t used in 3 trips and I called that out as the nonsense it was. If Lean or Kaizen is able to have such a huge impact on match anglers results, don’t you think that it would already be packaged and sold......

In fact many match anglers already employ it it their own way, @Neil ofthe nene does by keeping things minimal, others including myself do this by having limited numbers of float patterns that we get to know well, by using one brand of line, shot, sticking to tried and tested hooks etc. You are trying to over think fishing and that inevitably ends up making it too complicated and less successful.

 

[Anglingman]

I carry a good range of hook lengths and dont worry about deterioration. I have pole rigs in my box tied for a festival in 2016 that I still use with confidence today (they have new hooklengths ) so storing some hooks in a closed box is not going to bother me.

But it is also structured around balanced tackle. No point tying 0.08 to a 10 for example or 0.22 to a 20. I know what I will use in the main for commercials naturals etc. The variables are endless especially when you need bands and spikes in 3"; 4" 6" etc......

I once got derided (past member, years ago) for suggesting taking 12" hook lengths and adjusting to suit on the day but it does give you a lot of flexibility especially for those days when something a bit odd is required. So now I have hook boxes for the most used patterns (it is still a lot !) and then longer hooklengths to cover eventualities.

With regard to hooklengths I am (unfortunately) like the reformed smoker and having "seen the light" I am now more worried about having enough rather than making do and feel my results reflect this. Given the small space they take up and the relatively low value I am not going to worry about applying 5s principles in this case but they are all clearly marked and the shadow board peg principle works well for replenishment !

 

[Tinca Steve]

In my mind , tie whatever you want , you're carrying them not me !

 

[NoCarpPlease]

I dont care if its jamie hughes. I thought they might be interested in something that could potentially help them improve. Obviously not since any mention of adapting and applying proven techniques is met with mockery and petty arguments about poxy slivers hooks.

But yeah, you lot carry on on newcomers who bring up ideas, thats sure to work well in the long run.

May I humbly suggest that you may have misapplied these concepts?

5s and all similar process based approaches are founded on standardisation of repeatable events, and reduction of errors through that standardisation.

in fishing, every match is a new event with its own unique features that have NEVER been encountered before. In that situation, the application of experience to acquired knowledge is of paramount value. So far, nobody has invented a computer that can do that calculation better than the human brain.

But yes, as Measknoll notes above, there is a trade-off between over-simplifying and over-complicating that we all need to make for ourselves. Does adopting the latest “management speak” from the workplace help with that? I’m sceptical to be honest ... successful anglers are the ones who do that kind of trade off pretty much automatically .... the rest of us oscillate either side of the optimum.

 

[nejohn]

What was it, a machine or something?

£11 million quid of anything sitting idle for 10 years is straight poor management, not processes.

Only poor management in your opinion, as obviously you do not know all of the facts that I cannot and will not go into on an open forum, let us just say it was a bespoke specialist item that was used for experimental purposes. We had a senior leadership team that took a similar approach to the 5s proccess as yours and ordered everything that had not been used for 5 years to be destroyed .....a very costly period in our company that we are still paying for now.

All cost saving/effeciency techniques have a place in modern manufacture however it is not a one size fits all and should be used where applicable, some common sense should be applied to these techniques.

Also we a talking about fishing not manufacturing it is a hobby ffs people do it because they enjoy it and do it the way that suits them best ......when I get told I need to lay my kit out in Kanbans is the day I put my rods away for good

 

[Zerkalo]

Tie all my hooks on the bank as i need them,takes seconds with the matchman tyer.

I'm the same. Only hooks I tie at home are knotless knot hair rigs which at the moment I only use for Barbel. But then again I don't competition fish.

 

[nico12]

I carry quite a lot of ready tied 'bought' hooks ( maybe 50/60 packets) but make pole rigs appropriate to where i am going to fish. I use guru ready tied for most / all of my method fishing. Drennan for longer feeder hooklengths.

Have tied on the bank but rarely feel like im 'short' in most / any occasions.

Exception might be snaggy swims and if ive been mugged by hippos in the margin and need to tie after breaks / hook straighteners