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Woody5

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Hi all. Newbie to the site.
So my question is :
Helicopter rigs for roach + tench. I know people will say running rigs etc is best but after reading many articles it's recommended Heli rigs as my local lake does contain some weed.
So I got the rigs set up with hook just above the feeder.
It says to fish tight lines with heavy bobbin up to rods to register dropbacks but does this not lift line off the lake bed ??
Am I correct so far ??
Some say move hooklink further up the line but would this not lift the bait further off the lake bed??
Also if I was to pop a bait up would it lift the line more so it's up in the water??
My set up is naked so should I use some tungsten tubing just to pin down the couple feet around the feeder area??
Awaiting your opinions and advice thanks all πŸŽ£πŸ˜€πŸ˜€
 

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Woody5 - I'm no expert on the subject but was pretty much in the same place as you are now a while ago. My advice is:
Read the articles, watch the videos, pick out the common threads and apply at a basic level, then tweak,adjust and practice.
You'll find what works and the trying is all part of the pleasure of angling.
 

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Woody5 - I'm no expert on the subject but was pretty much in the same place as you are now a while ago. My advice is:
Read the articles, watch the videos, pick out the common threads and apply at a basic level, then tweak,adjust and practice.
You'll find what works and the trying is all part of the pleasure of angling.
Hi thanks for reply. Are you using this rig?
I'm just unsure if fish will see the line and spook and if I should be pinning some line down and if so would this ruin the mechanics of the bolt effect
 

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I use a heli rig for Tench with a short hooklength and as crude as it looks with the hooklength being so close to the feeder it seems to work. I don't even get a load of liners like I get off a method feeder, but the fish seem to hone in on the feeder just the same. I don't bother complicating it further than the basic rig. I put hemp in the feeder with maggots and I'm sure that helps them hone in. Maybe more specialist anglers would use more complicated rigs to pin the line down but I don't think it's necessary for what I do.
 

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I use a heli rig for Tench with a short hooklength and as crude as it looks with the hooklength being so close to the feeder it seems to work. I don't even get a load of liners like I get off a method feeder, but the fish seem to hone in on the feeder just the same. I don't bother complicating it further than the basic rig. I put hemp in the feeder with maggots and I'm sure that helps them hone in. Maybe more specialist anglers would use more complicated rigs to pin the line down but I don't think it's necessary for what I do.
Hi thank you for reply.
So do you fish it tight lines? Bobbin just below rod.?
How far do you place hooklink from the feeder?
Do you ever pop up your baits?
Do you move rig further up line away from feeder?
Thanks for the help πŸ‘
 

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No worries. There are better specialist anglers on here than me that have given me advice in the past. @squimp is one of them, who might be able to advice you better than me. Though I do love using heli rigs, just seems to work for me as I catch plenty of Tench on it.

But to try and answer your questions.

- I don't fish with bobbins, just quiver tip legering, so a bit different to what you're doing, but I do fish with a tight line. Bites are usually wrap arounds with only the odd drop back.
- I use a 4" hooklength and place it 5" up the line from the feeder. So the hook sits approx 1" above the feeder.
- I don't pop up baits but as I fish a weedy venue, I'm going to try using fake maggots and rig foam to get a semi-bouyant wafter type presentration. Not tried it yet but think it might give an edge this year.
- I have tried moving the hooklength further away from the feeder, but I get more bites with it 5" from the hooklength as described above.

For what it's worth, I just keep it simple and use Korum Ready Heli Rig Kits.
 

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A line from the feeder to the rod top is not a ruler straight line , it sags considerably even fishing what you may think is a tight line.
Unless you are fishing within 10m into 30ft deep water if you get what I mean.
As for popping a bait up if you have light 3" or silk weed then using a wafter or pop up can make a difference. Use a hooklink that is just above the weed so the fish can see it works.
 
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A line from the feeder to the rod top is not a ruler straight line , it sags considerably even fishing what you may think is a tight line.
Unless you are fishing within 10m into 30ft deep water if you get what I mean.
As for popping a bait up if you have light 3" or silk weed then using a wafter or pop up can make a difference. Use a hooklink that is just above the weed so the fish can see it works.
Great thank you. So with 3" hooklink would you place it just above the feeder and use a popup straight off the line so it's approx 3" off the bottom ? If so would this lift the line a bit or as line is tight feeder to reel it won't be able to rise more. Appreciate the help and advice 😊
 

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No worries. There are better specialist anglers on here than me that have given me advice in the past. @squimp is one of them, who might be able to advice you better than me. Though I do love using heli rigs, just seems to work for me as I catch plenty of Tench on it.

But to try and answer your questions.

- I don't fish with bobbins, just quiver tip legering, so a bit different to what you're doing, but I do fish with a tight line. Bites are usually wrap arounds with only the odd drop back.
- I use a 4" hooklength and place it 5" up the line from the feeder. So the hook sits approx 1" above the feeder.
- I don't pop up baits but as I fish a weedy venue, I'm going to try using fake maggots and rig foam to get a semi-bouyant wafter type presentration. Not tried it yet but think it might give an edge this year.
- I have tried moving the hooklength further away from the feeder, but I get more bites with it 5" from the hooklength as described above.

For what it's worth, I just keep it simple and use Korum Ready Heli Rig Kits.
Thanks for the help and advice buddy πŸ‘πŸ‘
 

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Hi thank you for reply.
So do you fish it tight lines? Bobbin just below rod.?
How far do you place hooklink from the feeder?
Do you ever pop up your baits?
Do you move rig further up line away from feeder?
Thanks for the help πŸ‘

As per Zerkalo.

Tight line to the rod, heavy bobbin 1” below the rod. Either baitrunner or better still fighting drag reel. Bite alarm in case you get tiny bites.

I often use a swivel as a fixed stop about 6” above the feeder and then set the hooklink above that - I do move it about.

Hooklink normally 2 - 4”.

I use 50 gram blackcaps as my feeder of choice.

I either use ready made heli rigs or better still make my own with a swivel bead sandwiched between glass beads and then float stops.

Yes I sometimes pop up my baits either plastic maggots or bits of foam….or combinations. Enterprise fake casters are great for tench.

You can do the same thing with the heli rig set on heavy tungsten tube - just make sure the top bead can move if required. I use esp anchor tube.

As far as lifting the line off the bottom; the set up works best cast a reasonable distance from the bank eg 20 yards plus…..
 

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On no account must you allow the hook to foul the feeder or link or swivel. Sometimes on sandy type bottoms I will use a 1" hooklink using QM1 hooks or similar. I also use flying back leads but not in any weed scenarios.
The lifting power of the bait should only just lift the hook. You can check using a bucket or baitbox of water, it should not be able to lift the line.
 

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Hi thanks for reply. Are you using this rig?
I'm just unsure if fish will see the line and spook and if I should be pinning some line down and if so would this ruin the mechanics of the bolt effect
Hello again Woody5. I'm not a regular user, but will be giving it a go this weekend. I never pin the line down, employ a hook length of about 4 inches usually, bait about 2 inches up from the feeder before casting. In terms of fish seeing the line I don't think the risk is changed from any other rig style - depends always on the line employed and overall presentation - 4 inches of washing line with a badly knotted shark hook or 4 inches of mono, tight and tidily knotted hook, sized appropriately to bait and target - if you see what I'm trying to say?
I've used the ready heli rigs mentioned elsewhere in this thread and they are a good place to start in my opinion, found them easy to use and they worked. (Korum?)
Plan this weekend is a heavy rig at distance, baitrunner and alarm, alternating with a lighter rig closer in around margin reeds, quiver tip on this one.
 

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Thanks for the help and advice buddy πŸ‘πŸ‘
No worries. It's an interesting thread to me as I love to talk about this rig.

The story of how I started using it for Tench is that I was told to fish a lake with a helicopter rig and expect 30lb bags of Roach. I went out and tried it with maggot expecting Roach and caught 13 nice Tench and only 2 Roach, so it has been my go to rig since then. I just went out and did the same thing and caught more Tench. Since then I've also caught Roach on it as well and find it to be a brilliant rig as I don't tend to miss bites on it.

Can't wait till it warms up enough for me to go back out to this venue.
 

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No worries. It's an interesting thread to me as I love to talk about this rig.

The story of how I started using it for Tench is that I was told to fish a lake with a helicopter rig and expect 30lb bags of Roach. I went out and tried it with maggot expecting Roach and caught 13 nice Tench and only 2 Roach, so it has been my go to rig since then. I just went out and did the same thing and caught more Tench. Since then I've also caught Roach on it as well and find it to be a brilliant rig as I don't tend to miss bites on it.

Can't wait till it warms up enough for me to go back out to this venue.
Are you using feeder tip rod or bobbins and alarms mate πŸ‘
 

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Hi all. Newbie to the site.
So my question is :
Helicopter rigs for roach + tench. I know people will say running rigs etc is best but after reading many articles it's recommended Heli rigs as my local lake does contain some weed.
So I got the rigs set up with hook just above the feeder.
It says to fish tight lines with heavy bobbin up to rods to register dropbacks but does this not lift line off the lake bed ??
Am I correct so far ??
Some say move hooklink further up the line but would this not lift the bait further off the lake bed??
Also if I was to pop a bait up would it lift the line more so it's up in the water??
My set up is naked so should I use some tungsten tubing just to pin down the couple feet around the feeder area??
Awaiting your opinions and advice thanks all πŸŽ£πŸ˜€πŸ˜€
For tench, ano useful alternative is a simple semi-fixed in-line setup.

I use 1.5 oz leads (usually) with 18” of anchor tube behind the lead (not strictly necessary IF you use a PVA bag every cast). Semi fix it to the hooklink swivel (or set it as a running lead if you prefer). Then a shortish (5-8”) hooklink and a size 12 heavy wire hook. I use light coated braid or 10lb mono for the hooklink. This is my go to rig when using fake casters - usually 2 or 3 on a short hair.

This rig works really well with a PVA bag attached to the hook. The helicopter alternative doesn’t suit PVA bags unless they are tiny (fix to the lead instead). PS PVA bags of casters are devastating !

The two rigs work in different ways - so they give the fish something to think about. Sometimes it makes a big difference.
 

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For tench, ano useful alternative is a simple semi-fixed in-line setup.

I use 1.5 oz leads (usually) with 18” of anchor tube behind the lead (not strictly necessary IF you use a PVA bag every cast). Semi fix it to the hooklink swivel (or set it as a running lead if you prefer). Then a shortish (5-8”) hooklink and a size 12 heavy wire hook. I use light coated braid or 10lb mono for the hooklink. This is my go to rig when using fake casters - usually 2 or 3 on a short hair.

This rig works really well with a PVA bag attached to the hook. The helicopter alternative doesn’t suit PVA bags unless they are tiny (fix to the lead instead). PS PVA bags of casters are devastating !

The two rigs work in different ways - so they give the fish something to think about. Sometimes it makes a big difference.
Hi thanks. Have been using Heli rig altho new to this rig, with tiny PVA mesh fixed to a PVA clip fixed to the lead. I been doing this so I know all bait is definitely around the hookbait. Have been filling will live and dead maggots. Then pulling line tight against lead and putting bobbin on to its tight just under the rod. Am I correct in my method. Using Heli rig as it's a natural lake with some weed so trying to make hookbait as visible as possible πŸ‘πŸ‘
 

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Hi thanks. Have been using Heli rig altho new to this rig, with tiny PVA mesh fixed to a PVA clip fixed to the lead. I been doing this so I know all bait is definitely around the hookbait. Have been filling will live and dead maggots. Then pulling line tight against lead and putting bobbin on to its tight just under the rod. Am I correct in my method. Using Heli rig as it's a natural lake with some weed so trying to make hookbait as visible as possible πŸ‘πŸ‘
Sounds bang on to me.

I tend to use the heli with a feeder; and the inline with a PVA bag - for the reasons outlined above.

Note that the short hooklink heli set up works best on clean bottom. If you chuck it into weed it’s not nearly as effective.
 

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Sounds bang on to me.

I tend to use the heli with a feeder; and the inline with a PVA bag - for the reasons outlined above.

Note that the short hooklink heli set up works best on clean bottom. If you chuck it into weed it’s not nearly as effective.
Oh. All articles I have read say Heli is good for minor weed on the bottom. Back to drawing board then lol πŸ˜‚πŸ€£
 
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