Forced vaccination anyone ?

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I can not remember my misses having to have a jab in the 35 years she’s worked there but, I’ll ask and get back to you on that one.
Not mandatory, but strongly recommended,
From the BMJ

What other vaccines do NHS staff need to have?

A number of vaccines are recommended for healthcare workers—although they are not compulsory—as outlined in Immunisation against Infectious Disease (the “Green Book”).7 These include tetanus, diphtheria, polio, and MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella). Varicella is recommended for susceptible healthcare workers and BCG for staff who may have close contact with infectious patients. All healthcare workers with direct patient contact are recommended to have the annual flu vaccine, and in 2020-21 uptake was the highest it has ever been, at 76.3%. Hepatitis B vaccine is recommended for workers who are at risk of injury from blood contaminated sharp instruments or of being deliberately injured or bitten by patients. the bmj | BMJ 2021;373:n1056 | doi: 10.1136/bmj.n1056 1

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It's a contentious issue, and there's some doubt whether it could be enforced in law. It's also been said that there will be exceptions for those that can provide medical evidence of exemption. It's not unique though, there are requirements/recommendations, throughout the NHS, and in many other jobs, that restrict the work you can do. Flu jabs for all, Hepatitis B jabs for those who work with sharp instruments, or risk being bitten by patients, for instance. Playing devils advocate, you could even add the wearing of specialised clothing/equipment to the equation, all could be classed by some as an infringement of their 'rights'. The latest figures I could find showed that the vaccination take up among NHS staff in general was over 80%, but areas differ and some reported a take up of less than 50% in ethnic minority staff, and there are a significant number of workers from that group, in the care homes near me.
I'm all for personal rights and freedoms, but there are times when the rights and freedoms of the population as a whole override those needs, and I believe that a pandemic is one of them. Refusing to have a jab, or wear a mask, or even use basic hygiene, is not asserting your rights, as an individual, it's pure selfishness. Some decisions don't just impact on the individual concerned, it also has an effect on those who treat them, their families, the company they work for, those that could be treated instead of them, and so on down the line.

Any Trekkies out there, what was it Spock said?
Something like, 'the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few'

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You hold em down John I’ll jab em. Unless it’s Trogg and he’s all yours. 🤣🤣.

I hear where you’re coming from but, we can’t do that. Shame really. I’d like to jab half my relatives some days but, not with a needle. 🤣🤣
 

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I can not remember my misses having to have a jab in the 35 years she’s worked there but, I’ll ask and get back to you on that one.
Phlebotomists (blood takers) have to have Hepatitis vaccinations and they have to be effective otherwise you cannot do the job. The Boss was one for whom the vaccine didn't work so could not train to take blood.
 

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It's the law that only Part 'P' qualified electricians are allowed to do certain works, same as the law that only Gas Safe registered plumbers are allowed to work with gas. The law states you need a driving licence to drive a car so therefore without a licence you can't be a taxi/private hire driver - all jobs with rules stipulated in law.

My missus works for social services in adult care. She has to have three covid tests per week and hates it. How many care staff want to stuff cotton buds up their noses, down the backs of their throats three times a week ad infinitum, not many I guess.

Isabelle (made up name), a 20 something care worker goes clubbing with her mates, catches the virus, takes it into work with her, infects someone's mother/father, granny, etc, who dies as a result - could this have been prevented had Isabelle been vaccinated? The health authorities reckon so, the virus is less transmittable once you've had the vacines.

Isabelle, same lass, goes to work and a new elderly resident has moved into the home from the local hospital. Ten days later the resident shows signs of covid and is tested positive. Isabelle was caring for the resident and also contracts the virus and becomes seriously ill from it due to not being vaccinated.
Is her employer liable for not ensuring the safety of their staff?

It's a can of worms, but don't go getting caught up in yet another mass hysteria whipping-up session being manufactured by the main stream media. Next week it will be another topic, this one resigned to the same tray as the rest, but your blood pressure will have been raised, you'll be all worked up and angry, and yet it will have little if anything to do with you, next to no effect on your life, nor others, the MSM have done their job, task completed. ;)
 

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You hold em down John I’ll jab em. Unless it’s Trogg and he’s all yours. 🤣🤣.

I hear where you’re coming from but, we can’t do that. Shame really. I’d like to jab half my relatives some days but, not with a needle. 🤣🤣
I've just got back into darts after a long layoff, so I'm willing to give it a go! (y) :D

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Phlebotomists (blood takers) have to have Hepatitis vaccinations and they have to be effective otherwise you cannot do the job. The Boss was one for whom the vaccine didn't work so could not train to take blood.
Maybe doctors also perhaps ? 🤷‍♂️
 

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I've been watching 'the Zoo' on E4 - I can fire a rifle so a dart gun shouldn't be a problem ;)
 

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If one applies a bit of logic
Being vaccinated doesn’t mean you aren’t able to contract or more importantly carry the virus
Every eligible person should be ‘ encouraged ‘ to be vaccinated and whilst highly contentious if not vaccinated be excluded from certain functions and activities ( including free hospital care, multiple passenger travel indoor functions etc etc ) in my book ( using common sense ) their individual ‘ rights ‘ are far less than ‘ rights ‘ of the collective
Ideally all those attending gatherings of non household members should be tested every day proving you’ve had a vaccination/s is pointless if you are actually carrying the virus

BUT ...................
 

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It's the law that only Part 'P' qualified electricians are allowed to do certain works, same as the law that only Gas Safe registered plumbers are allowed to work with gas. The law states you need a driving licence to drive a car so therefore without a licence you can't be a taxi/private hire driver - all jobs with rules stipulated in law.

My missus works for social services in adult care. She has to have three covid tests per week and hates it. How many care staff want to stuff cotton buds up their noses, down the backs of their throats three times a week ad infinitum, not many I guess.

Isabelle (made up name), a 20 something care worker goes clubbing with her mates, catches the virus, takes it into work with her, infects someone's mother/father, granny, etc, who dies as a result - could this have been prevented had Isabelle been vaccinated? The health authorities reckon so, the virus is less transmittable once you've had the vacines.

Isabelle, same lass, goes to work and a new elderly resident has moved into the home from the local hospital. Ten days later the resident shows signs of covid and is tested positive. Isabelle was caring for the resident and also contracts the virus and becomes seriously ill from it due to not being vaccinated.
Is her employer liable for not ensuring the safety of their staff?

It's a can of worms, but don't go getting caught up in yet another mass hysteria whipping-up session being manufactured by the main stream media. Next week it will be another topic, this one resigned to the same tray as the rest, but your blood pressure will have been raised, you'll be all worked up and angry, and yet it will have little if anything to do with you, next to no effect on your life, nor others, the MSM have done their job, task completed. ;)
Get on with your tiling you. What’s up hasn’t Mr Munch my stump left you any instructions as to what he wants doing on his return ? And no sneaking off for a quick Chuck at none go by farm ( don’t know the name 🤣🤣 ) while he’s away neither. Can’t get the staff. 🙄
 

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The general consensus in my misses hospital is that a great number of nurses and doctors are waiting to see what’s going to happen to those that’s had the vaccine. What’s that tell you ? Remember …. This vaccine has been rushed out. Not one person knows exactly what the long term effect this vaccine will have.
I have a Friend that owns a drug testing establishment, I spoke to her a while ago on this and she said that they had done some testing and the vaccine is based the normal flu vaccine with some tweaks as they do with the flu vaccine generally, there are no magic ingredients in the vaccine and nothing that has not already undergone extensive testing, this was deliberately done to allow a rapid testing programme plus and awful lot more funding and resource has been thrown at this vaccine to allow it to tested and approved quickly. Her view is that the COVID19 vaccine is no more dangerous than the flu vaccine that everyone is happy to have every year, which indecently the ingredient make up is modified every year to combat what ever the prevalent strain of flu currently is so the flu vaccine you had this year is highly likely to be different from the one you had last year but we are more than happy to have these jabs. This is not information from Karen on facebook but from a respected scientist that that has not only had many papers published on similar subjects but makes a living out of testing drugs......her advice was that it was no different to any other vaccine as they all have potential side effects and the chances of having the side effects are similar to any other vaccine the only difference is the media are all over the covid vaccine
 

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I have a Friend that owns a drug testing establishment, I spoke to her a while ago on this and she said that they had done some testing and the vaccine is based the normal flu vaccine with some tweaks as they do with the flu vaccine generally, there are no magic ingredients in the vaccine and nothing that has not already undergone extensive testing, this was deliberately done to allow a rapid testing programme plus and awful lot more funding and resource has been thrown at this vaccine to allow it to tested and approved quickly. Her view is that the COVID19 vaccine is no more dangerous than the flu vaccine that everyone is happy to have every year, which indecently the ingredient make up is modified every year to combat what ever the prevalent strain of flu currently is so the flu vaccine you had this year is highly likely to be different from the one you had last year but we are more than happy to have these jabs. This is not information from Karen on facebook but from a respected scientist that that has not only had many papers published on similar subjects but makes a living out of testing drugs......her advice was that it was no different to any other vaccine as they all have potential side effects and the chances of having the side effects are similar to any other vaccine the only difference is the media are all over the covid vaccine
Well, it’s not made me a better angler I’m still rubbish. If there’s a booster can we not have some of Alan Scothorne’s DNA in it ? 🤣🤣
 

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Ah well back to work, play nicely everyone :D
Sorry Dave. Forgot to say …. Your client came on earlier. She said …. Tell Dave I want a border tile 350mm in all the rooms we spoke about tiling. She told me a fortnight ago. You’ve not started have ya ? 🤣
 

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I have a Friend that owns a drug testing establishment, I spoke to her a while ago on this and she said that they had done some testing and the vaccine is based the normal flu vaccine with some tweaks as they do with the flu vaccine generally, there are no magic ingredients in the vaccine and nothing that has not already undergone extensive testing, this was deliberately done to allow a rapid testing programme plus and awful lot more funding and resource has been thrown at this vaccine to allow it to tested and approved quickly. Her view is that the COVID19 vaccine is no more dangerous than the flu vaccine that everyone is happy to have every year, which indecently the ingredient make up is modified every year to combat what ever the prevalent strain of flu currently is so the flu vaccine you had this year is highly likely to be different from the one you had last year but we are more than happy to have these jabs. This is not information from Karen on facebook but from a respected scientist that that has not only had many papers published on similar subjects but makes a living out of testing drugs......her advice was that it was no different to any other vaccine as they all have potential side effects and the chances of having the side effects are similar to any other vaccine the only difference is the media are all over the covid vaccine
Best ask her if she understands what the black triangle means then !

The media are helping push the vaccine narrative to the sheeple, why do you think they don't list adverse reaction / death numbers from the yellow card and VAERS systems ?
 
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