Never mind how John Wilson did it, he is no longer with us, however, there are enough instructional videos on YouTube to help you become a proficient river angler. Yes, the bags will be a lot smaller than commercials but not always,100lb bags of bream are quite common on some rivers, a 20lb bag of roach or chub is a grand achievement. Join a club with some good barbel fishing, drop your bunch of maggots in on a size 12 and eventually, you will catch barbel. Yes it can be as simple as that or as complicated as you wish to make it. I have nothing against carp fishing or commercials, if that's what someone's preference is, fine, someone on here has an opinion only real men fish rivers, perhaps he's right but maybe it should be only real fishermen fish rivers.River fishing is something I've only ever tried a handful of times. I don't have the knowledge to do it really. The extent of my technique on rivers would be fishing a bomb and letting it roll along the bottom with a bit bunch of maggots on a size 12. Thats because I think I remember John Wilson doing it.
Well said Dave,Since the advent of the 'commercial' fishery we have definitely bred a new generation of anglers. In the past, if asked how we had done the reply would be along the lines of "had some lovely roach" or "a few nice tench" etc. Nowadays, when asked the same question, the response would be "had 5" or "had 6" etc. the species they had caught would be taken for granted. We cannot knock this, that is what they want to do and they have a right to do it without being abused. There has always been 'knocking' between speci boys and matchmen but now it would appear that it is commie boys against everyone else and this cannot be good for the sport. You can't blame the fishery owners, they have merely latched on to a lucrative business idea and are prepared to invest time and money to give their customers what they want. If you do not like the product they are offering then don't buy it, it is that simple. 4 mile away from where I am sitting is Attenborough Gravel Pits, huge shoals of bream, specimen roach, tench and pike. But, if I were to take a wander over there I would find less than half a dozen people fishing, despite it being several hundred acres in size. The reason, it is a difficult place to fish and you need all of your watercraft just to locate the fish. It is a fishery where time and effort are rewarded, you will not get the instant gratification that a lot of today's anglers crave.
If you want this instant gratification, use the commercials. If you want a variety then hone your watercraft and put some time in finding alternative venues. what we shouldn't be doing is knocking other anglers for their enjoyment of a particular branch of the sport.
Been away fishing for a week at multiple venues. Weather has been mixed but mostly fishable, even if I was a little too cocksure with the margin pole in 15mph wind. Almost broke it, but no, my pole is perfectly in tact despite the rough handling.
I'm just so tired of catching carp. I made a thread last year asking how to avoid it. Not because I don't like the species or the amazing fight, but just because I like variety. I get specialist carp fishing, I do. I get the careful long term pursuit of a 40lb monster. I get the endless weekends, the hasty justifications to the husband or wife, the sacrifices made to bag the ultimate beast. I really do and I never understood why anyone would dislike a particular species of fish for any reason.
This week though, one day in particular, my catches were, 3oz perch, 1/2lb skimmer, carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, bacon sandwich, carp, 10lb+ carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, 2lb bream. Most of the others were similar days. It's just carp after carp. Aside from a matchman, does ANYONE want such a catch on a given day? Neither specimens, nor variety. By the end of it, I wanted to throw myself in and hope for a Great White shark.
To me, that isn't an enjoyable days fishing really. I'm not trying to get match weights, I just want to catch fish. In the 30 years before I restarted, I don't ever, ever, remember this sort of thing happening. It was more like perch, perch, perch, perch, perch, roach, perch, tench, perch, rudd, roach, perch perch, skimmer, perch, skimmer.
I've tried a multitude of different baits over the week. Even double red maggot resulted in....you guessed it, carp. Thats in 2ft of water and it took 2 minutes. Wasn't even a bad fish! Fisheries need to sort out their priorities. Either they are match fisheries, specimen fisheries, or pleasure fisheries. You can't be all things to all people, all of the time.
Forgetting my personal preferences, this can't be good from an ecological perspective, can it?
If I cannot catch a roach 1ft from the surface on caster, but instead catch a carp, thats messed up, imo.
Catch a double figure carp on relatively light tackle is great fun, I don't deny that. It's just that if your entire expectancy consists of carp, to me it feels like you're no longer fishing. My friends in the US absolutely hate them, which I never understood, since most of their fishing is generally one or two species in fresh water.
I am not anti carp or anti carp angler, even slightly. I just don't get the obsession with chucking carp in every tiny puddle someone might fish. It makes for a very bland day out.
I did notice in a search that some lakes do not stock carp, but it's few and far between. I guess I just want a normal days coarse fishing. Is it too much to ask?
Crucians have always been a bit of a rarity in North Yorkshire and the wider North East. Although I knew of a local venue that held them when I was a kid, I couldn't fish it. I suspect that I was approaching thirty before I caught my first North Yorkshire Crucian. I doubt I've had more than a handful in the twenty years since.Hi,I’m new by to this site,just joined literally 10mins ago ,so hi anyhow,I was just checking different forum pages and came across your dilemma,lol,it was nice to think I’m normal I think ,as I’ve just moved into north York’s,lots of great fishing,river canals ponds,.As I’ve been searching different locations,I’m gobsmacked at the overwhelming lads and lasses fishing,and they all want to talk ,catch specimen fish,im like you and your comments ,apart from match fishing ,it seems pleasure angling has changed views,and 20lb + carp,an spike nd sturgens,seem today’s fancy,maybe I’m an middle aged person nd times have changed,I like you just pleasure fish for mainly silvers,and it doesn’t matter what baits and tactics I use,I can’t get away from carp,casters maggots worms ,carp carp ,just as you say ,where have bream tench perch even little battling Criustian carp seem rare,,im not knocking any style of fishing,but am I wrong about specimen obsession,tight line to all,
Or the Tees - which is kind of in North Yorkshire (well one bank generally is ) - there's odd carp get caught in Stockton town centre every year, especially in the canals out the back of the old Churchill insurance building.Crucians have always been a bit of a rarity in North Yorkshire and the wider North East. Although I knew of a local venue that held them when I was a kid, I couldn't fish it. I suspect that I was approaching thirty before I caught my first North Yorkshire Crucian. I doubt I've had more than a handful in the twenty years since.
If you really want to avoid carp, the best bet are the rivers. Whilst there are limited numbers of them in certain spots, you could fish the Swale or Ure for a lifetime and never catch one. The only North Yorkshire river I'd actually fancy my chances of getting a carp deliberately would be the Ouse from York downstream.