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MartinWY

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Been away fishing for a week at multiple venues. Weather has been mixed but mostly fishable, even if I was a little too cocksure with the margin pole in 15mph wind. Almost broke it, but no, my pole is perfectly in tact despite the rough handling.

I'm just so tired of catching carp. I made a thread last year asking how to avoid it. Not because I don't like the species or the amazing fight, but just because I like variety. I get specialist carp fishing, I do. I get the careful long term pursuit of a 40lb monster. I get the endless weekends, the hasty justifications to the husband or wife, the sacrifices made to bag the ultimate beast. I really do and I never understood why anyone would dislike a particular species of fish for any reason.

This week though, one day in particular, my catches were, 3oz perch, 1/2lb skimmer, carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, bacon sandwich, carp, 10lb+ carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, 2lb bream. Most of the others were similar days. It's just carp after carp. Aside from a matchman, does ANYONE want such a catch on a given day? Neither specimens, nor variety. By the end of it, I wanted to throw myself in and hope for a Great White shark.

To me, that isn't an enjoyable days fishing really. I'm not trying to get match weights, I just want to catch fish. In the 30 years before I restarted, I don't ever, ever, remember this sort of thing happening. It was more like perch, perch, perch, perch, perch, roach, perch, tench, perch, rudd, roach, perch perch, skimmer, perch, skimmer.

I've tried a multitude of different baits over the week. Even double red maggot resulted in....you guessed it, carp. Thats in 2ft of water and it took 2 minutes. Wasn't even a bad fish! Fisheries need to sort out their priorities. Either they are match fisheries, specimen fisheries, or pleasure fisheries. You can't be all things to all people, all of the time.

Forgetting my personal preferences, this can't be good from an ecological perspective, can it?

If I cannot catch a roach 1ft from the surface on caster, but instead catch a carp, thats messed up, imo.

Catch a double figure carp on relatively light tackle is great fun, I don't deny that. It's just that if your entire expectancy consists of carp, to me it feels like you're no longer fishing. My friends in the US absolutely hate them, which I never understood, since most of their fishing is generally one or two species in fresh water.

I am not anti carp or anti carp angler, even slightly. I just don't get the obsession with chucking carp in every tiny puddle someone might fish. It makes for a very bland day out.

I did notice in a search that some lakes do not stock carp, but it's few and far between. I guess I just want a normal days coarse fishing. Is it too much to ask?
 

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@MartinWY .......Your fishing the wrong venues at the wrong time of year Martin......;).....Wait until the cooler months and you can catch the variety of fish/silvers until your heart's content.....
 

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Maybe have a look online or ask on here for venues near you that are more "carp free".
Like yourself Martin, I like carp but to be catching them like that that becomes predictable and boring.
I've fished commercials in the past and actually packed up early because the fishing was that boring and easy. 🎣💤
Do fish the rivers? Not long now and less commercial carp and more variety.
 

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Either find a more natural style lake or wait a couple weeks and get on the rivers. Not unusual for me to almost not catch a carp for 9 months thanks to the rivers!
 
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Been away fishing for a week at multiple venues. Weather has been mixed but mostly fishable, even if I was a little too cocksure with the margin pole in 15mph wind. Almost broke it, but no, my pole is perfectly in tact despite the rough handling.

I'm just so tired of catching carp. I made a thread last year asking how to avoid it. Not because I don't like the species or the amazing fight, but just because I like variety. I get specialist carp fishing, I do. I get the careful long term pursuit of a 40lb monster. I get the endless weekends, the hasty justifications to the husband or wife, the sacrifices made to bag the ultimate beast. I really do and I never understood why anyone would dislike a particular species of fish for any reason.

This week though, one day in particular, my catches were, 3oz perch, 1/2lb skimmer, carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, bacon sandwich, carp, 10lb+ carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, 2lb bream. Most of the others were similar days. It's just carp after carp. Aside from a matchman, does ANYONE want such a catch on a given day? Neither specimens, nor variety. By the end of it, I wanted to throw myself in and hope for a Great White shark.

To me, that isn't an enjoyable days fishing really. I'm not trying to get match weights, I just want to catch fish. In the 30 years before I restarted, I don't ever, ever, remember this sort of thing happening. It was more like perch, perch, perch, perch, perch, roach, perch, tench, perch, rudd, roach, perch perch, skimmer, perch, skimmer.

I've tried a multitude of different baits over the week. Even double red maggot resulted in....you guessed it, carp. Thats in 2ft of water and it took 2 minutes. Wasn't even a bad fish! Fisheries need to sort out their priorities. Either they are match fisheries, specimen fisheries, or pleasure fisheries. You can't be all things to all people, all of the time.

Forgetting my personal preferences, this can't be good from an ecological perspective, can it?

If I cannot catch a roach 1ft from the surface on caster, but instead catch a carp, thats messed up, imo.

Catch a double figure carp on relatively light tackle is great fun, I don't deny that. It's just that if your entire expectancy consists of carp, to me it feels like you're no longer fishing. My friends in the US absolutely hate them, which I never understood, since most of their fishing is generally one or two species in fresh water.

I am not anti carp or anti carp angler, even slightly. I just don't get the obsession with chucking carp in every tiny puddle someone might fish. It makes for a very bland day out.

I did notice in a search that some lakes do not stock carp, but it's few and far between. I guess I just want a normal days coarse fishing. Is it too much to ask?
incoherent gibbering's ,first bit of sun and they out already ;)
 

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Have you ever heard of natural venues, in some cases very much forgotten and over looked but in many cases full of fish.

There's loads of canals with the exception of the North East some full of Tench, skimmers and in some cases chub.

Then there's the bream venues.

The rivers also open in a few weeks time so there's something for everybody.
 

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I stopped carp fishing 15 years ago because it became boring. As mentioned, canals and rivers give you variety and on these venues it's unlikely you'll catch a carp unless specifically fishing for them.
 

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Fishing is about catching and with the rise of the commercial comes the requirement to satisfy the anglers with fish to catch and Carp fulfil that requirement. They're cheap to stock, grow quickly, eat just about anything, fill anglers' nets.
However, they don't satisfy everyone as you have found.

Commercial fisheries, especially northern ones, have since introduced F1's, a man-made variety of Carp, which don't have the same growth capability of normal Carp, do tend to feed most of the year round, and above all else are supposed to be easier to manage from a stock point of view as they don't breed, or at least aren't supposed to. But they're still 'Carp'.

The answer to not catching Carp is to move away from the commercial type fisheries and fish the more natural venues such as lakes, canals and rivers, and there is a growing number of anglers who are doing just that in their quest to satisfy their need to catch, but not predominantly Carp. Alas, with it also comes low weights, harder sessions, dare I say it more skill, more finesse.
 

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Alas, with it also comes low weights, harder sessions, dare I say it more skill, more finesse. Along with boats, dog s##t, cyclists, walkers, joggers, kids, local loonies, druggies, sewage, no toilets, dodgy parking, no shop, no cafe…. and so on.

Just added a bit 😀😀
 

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Fishing is about catching and with the rise of the commercial comes the requirement to satisfy the anglers with fish to catch and Carp fulfil that requirement. They're cheap to stock, grow quickly, eat just about anything, fill anglers' nets.
However, they don't satisfy everyone as you have found.

Commercial fisheries, especially northern ones, have since introduced F1's, a man-made variety of Carp, which don't have the same growth capability of normal Carp, do tend to feed most of the year round, and above all else are supposed to be easier to manage from a stock point of view as they don't breed, or at least aren't supposed to. But they're still 'Carp'.

The answer to not catching Carp is to move away from the commercial type fisheries and fish the more natural venues such as lakes, canals and rivers, and there is a growing number of anglers who are doing just that in their quest to satisfy their need to catch, but not predominantly Carp. Alas, with it also comes low weights, harder sessions, dare I say it more skill, more finesse.
I had quite a few F1's over the sessions. They are great sport, but as you say, still carp and seem to feed with the same ferocity. The funny thing is, when I gave up and put on a carp specific bait in the form of a spicy sausage pellet'o, I caught the bream. :ROFLMAO:
 

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@MartinWY .......Your fishing the wrong venues at the wrong time of year Martin......;).....Wait until the cooler months and you can catch the variety of fish/silvers until your heart's content.....
But then it's cold. I did recently buy a bib and brace (my first ever), so maybe that will help. I do quite enjoy crisp winter days out, but I've never really bothered with winter fishing. Maybe I'll give it a bash.
 

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This is part of why I now say I only fish commercials in winter, even when I do still catch Carp, they are more docile and can often be caught on the deck, so I can 'pretend' I'm fishing a natural water when it's too cold for any natural near me to fish well. Plus I'll often have venues to myself.
 

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Have you ever heard of natural venues, in some cases very much forgotten and over looked but in many cases full of fish.

There's loads of canals with the exception of the North East some full of Tench, skimmers and in some cases chub.

Then there's the bream venues.

The rivers also open in a few weeks time so there's something for everybody.
River fishing is something I've only ever tried a handful of times. I don't have the knowledge to do it really. The extent of my technique on rivers would be fishing a bomb and letting it roll along the bottom with a bit bunch of maggots on a size 12. Thats because I think I remember John Wilson doing it.
 

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@MartinWY If you can fish a waggler on a stillwater you can fish one on a river, it just moves catapult maggots over the top and see what happens, as long as the river near you are not raging torrents or really deep you will catch something.
 

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Been away fishing for a week at multiple venues. Weather has been mixed but mostly fishable, even if I was a little too cocksure with the margin pole in 15mph wind. Almost broke it, but no, my pole is perfectly in tact despite the rough handling.

I'm just so tired of catching carp. I made a thread last year asking how to avoid it. Not because I don't like the species or the amazing fight, but just because I like variety. I get specialist carp fishing, I do. I get the careful long term pursuit of a 40lb monster. I get the endless weekends, the hasty justifications to the husband or wife, the sacrifices made to bag the ultimate beast. I really do and I never understood why anyone would dislike a particular species of fish for any reason.

This week though, one day in particular, my catches were, 3oz perch, 1/2lb skimmer, carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, bacon sandwich, carp, 10lb+ carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, carp, 2lb bream. Most of the others were similar days. It's just carp after carp. Aside from a matchman, does ANYONE want such a catch on a given day? Neither specimens, nor variety. By the end of it, I wanted to throw myself in and hope for a Great White shark.

To me, that isn't an enjoyable days fishing really. I'm not trying to get match weights, I just want to catch fish. In the 30 years before I restarted, I don't ever, ever, remember this sort of thing happening. It was more like perch, perch, perch, perch, perch, roach, perch, tench, perch, rudd, roach, perch perch, skimmer, perch, skimmer.

I've tried a multitude of different baits over the week. Even double red maggot resulted in....you guessed it, carp. Thats in 2ft of water and it took 2 minutes. Wasn't even a bad fish! Fisheries need to sort out their priorities. Either they are match fisheries, specimen fisheries, or pleasure fisheries. You can't be all things to all people, all of the time.

Forgetting my personal preferences, this can't be good from an ecological perspective, can it?

If I cannot catch a roach 1ft from the surface on caster, but instead catch a carp, thats messed up, imo.

Catch a double figure carp on relatively light tackle is great fun, I don't deny that. It's just that if your entire expectancy consists of carp, to me it feels like you're no longer fishing. My friends in the US absolutely hate them, which I never understood, since most of their fishing is generally one or two species in fresh water.

I am not anti carp or anti carp angler, even slightly. I just don't get the obsession with chucking carp in every tiny puddle someone might fish. It makes for a very bland day out.

I did notice in a search that some lakes do not stock carp, but it's few and far between. I guess I just want a normal days coarse fishing. Is it too much to ask?
Just wrong venues ,Forrest lane is a good commercial with mixed species, lots of roach ,skimmers ,barbel , there are carp to but you dont know whats next . Redwood is another but more carp in there . I do like a mixture of species myself when pleasure fishing but in a match il take whatever takes my bait 😇. Can you give me lessons il take carp carp carp now or anytime soon ,my fishing has been poo all season lol
 

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I can't think of anywhere in my fishing where there isn't variety, it's so easy if you look for it.

Given you don't fish canals, rivers or fish at all in winter I'd suggest carp may be more welcome than you realize Martin, deep down you actually love them right? :)
 

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I can understand your frustration Martin. One of the waters on the York book is carp ad infinitum, so I only go there when I fancy that kind of fishing or when I want to experiment with a new technique. Thankfully there’s some very good commercials nearby too. I took my son to Pool Bridge Farm yesterday for a couple of hours. One pint of red maggots, one rod, fishing waggler. He caught around thirty fish of six different species- loads of nice Rudd, some roach, Ide, a skimmer (and then his slabby big brother), perch and a couple of F1s.

Will always go there for the sheer variety and quality of the fish. If it was carp x10000 I’d probably move on 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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