Float rod for silverfish to double figure carp

BigChub

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Hi all

Looking to get my son into fishing so will be taking him to Stillwaters for some float fishing.

I only fish rivers so unsure if I have the right rod to use and whether I should invest in a new one if so which?

The venues I'll be fishing have a variety of species from silver's to double figure carp. Its v realistic that we'll be catching both.

Plan on using 6lb mainline either straight through or to 4lb hooklength and size 16 hook with maggots.

I have a Normark 12ft advantage super match rod that I bought 2nd hand a few yrs ago but never used. Wondering if this is going to be suitable for the carp.

I've been looking at the new drennan x-tension float rod but not sure if it would be too over gunned for the silver fish and pull hooks. Specialist X-Tension 13ft Compact Float | Drennan International

Would be interested to know your thoughts or any other suggestions. I wouldn't want to pay much more than £100 though.

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Whatever you get will be either over gunned for the silvers or under gunned for double figure carp. Which end of the spectrum will you actually be targeting? There's no such thing as a true allrounder more just rods that lean one way or the other so it's best to decide on what you want to target and get some something leaning that way and just make do with the by catch. It also depends on how you play fish, some are very adept at playing fish on light gear others like a bit more insurance.
 

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11ft daiwa ninja maybe.
Yeah powerful rods aren't ideal for small silvers but you don't bump off that many.

Main thing he'll be catching and having fun.
 

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He's only 7 so as long as we get some action I think he'll be happy. I'm just concerned if we hook a carp we don't loose it. I'm thinking something with a bit more back bone than the Normark then
 

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Ah right in that case if it's not something for you as such then something like daiwa ninja would be fine 👍🏻
 

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Whatever you get will be either over gunned for the silvers or under gunned for double figure carp. Which end of the spectrum will you actually be targeting? There's no such thing as a true allrounder more just rods that lean one way or the other so it's best to decide on what you want to target and get some something leaning that way and just make do with the by catch. It also depends on how you play fish, some are very adept at playing fish on light gear others like a bit more insurance.
Not sure I agree, I have no qualms in using a Titan 2000 for silvers and have plenty of doubles on it, as its my go to carp waggler rod, I also have a pair of Daiwa Tournament waggler rods that are equally at home for both.

I would suggest trying your Normark, I'm not au fait with the model you mention, but I'm sure it will cope and if you find it doesn't, at least you'll have a bench mark to gauge how much more powerful you want the new rod to be.
 

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A double figure carp be a fish of a lifetime to a 7 year old :) I'd say go for a pellet waggler rod, you'll cover the bigger fish and maybe bump a few silvers, but rather that than lose the big 'uns? :unsure:
 

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Not sure I agree, I have no qualms in using a Titan 2000 for silvers and have plenty of doubles on it, as its my go to carp waggler rod, I also have a pair of Daiwa Tournament waggler rods that are equally at home for both.
Surely it learns one way or the other though or if it doesn't do that it must leave something to be desired for both? I've never used a single rod of any type that was just as good for small fish as big fish. That said I've never used something as expensive as a tournament so maybe at that price they can do both 😅
 

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Surely it learns one way or the other though or if it doesn't do that it must leave something to be desired for both? I've never used a single rod of any type that was just as good for small fish as big fish. That said I've never used something as expensive as a tournament so maybe at that price they can do both 😅
They can and do. The top sections are soft enough for skimmers and roach, then the middle and butt sections come into play for carp, we're talking 'normal' commercials here, I do have a pair of 13' Maver Reactorlites for those bigger venues where a long chuck and bigger floats are required, I wouldn't make them first choice for silvers.
 

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Its a rod we would be sharing rather than just something he would use on his own so I don't mind investing a little. The Daiwa Ninja has been recomended but was also looking at the Maver MVR 12ft rod or at a stretch a cadence cr10 12ft #3 or 13ft #2 or #3 if anyone has thoughts on these for what i need it for.

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Its a rod we would be sharing rather than just something he would use on his own so I don't mind investing a little. The Daiwa Ninja has been recomended but was also looking at the Maver MVR 12ft rod or at a stretch a cadence cr10 12ft #3 or 13ft #2 or #3 if anyone has thoughts on these for what i need it for.

Thanks

If you are fishing a average sized commercial, then look at 11’ rods, they will be easier for a youngster, when casting short distances they are better, when playing fish they pop up closer to you and are easier to net. Some decent ones around.
 

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They can and do. The top sections are soft enough for skimmers and roach, then the middle and butt sections come into play for carp, we're talking 'normal' commercials here, I do have a pair of 13' Maver Reactorlites for those bigger venues where a long chuck and bigger floats are required, I wouldn't make them first choice for silvers.
Interesting stuff guess you get what you pay for. Closest I’ve used to a true allrounder is the hardy marksman supero but tbh it’s a bang average silvers rod compared to the likes of acolytes, matchpros, even CR10s and doesn’t feel all that much better on carp to fairly budget commercials float rods. Very good chub, tench, big perch rod though suits those sort of middle sized fish perfectly.

Its a rod we would be sharing rather than just something he would use on his own so I don't mind investing a little. The Daiwa Ninja has been recomended but was also looking at the Maver MVR 12ft rod or at a stretch a cadence cr10 12ft #3 or 13ft #2 or #3 if anyone has thoughts on these for what i need it for.
If you can stretch to the cadences they’re good rods. I’ve a CR10 #1 which is light enough for silvers without being an out and out silvers rod so can handle fairly reasonable carp therefore I’d imagine a #2 might suit you. #3 looks a bit brutish though. Almost bought my dad the MVR a couple weeks ago but went for a Shakespeare agility lite instead as it has a more traditional and slightly lighter action but the MVR did seem a pretty decent rod.
 

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Its a rod we would be sharing rather than just something he would use on his own so I don't mind investing a little. The Daiwa Ninja has been recomended but was also looking at the Maver MVR 12ft rod or at a stretch a cadence cr10 12ft #3 or 13ft #2 or #3 if anyone has thoughts on these for what i need it for.

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I'm sure they're all very nice rods.

I think it comes down to what you want to spend and how long a rod you think will suit him.

I don't think I would go for a 13' but I don't have any direct experience of teaching youngsters.

Reason I mentioned the ninja is it's a decent rod finish wise and has a reasonable all round action, as far as you can expect. Ninja might be a cool name of you're 7! I don't think it's miles better than anything else - so many decent rods around.

Even as adult I find you don't really need or want a 13' rod on a lot of small lakes. Too much rod sometimes. Depends where you fish.
 

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I've got a Normark Vantage Super Match and it's ideally matched to 3lb line. I wouldn't put 6lb line on it. Nice rod even if it was a the cheaper end of the Normarks.
 

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Don’t discount the Darent Valley float rods either, very good rods for not a lot of money!
 

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The Maver MVR certainly seems a good choice as they are very nice rods and for the money they are a bit of a bargain, also I saw a Daiwa theory 12ft while browsing ebay for similar cash, these are also nice rods for commercials soft enough for silvers but with enough power down the blank for bigger fish, OK anything in that price range would be a bit of a compromise as you can't really expect the higher tec mixes of resin, cloth and tapers that you get in more expensive rods, but with those 2 it is not a bad compromise the balance between power and finesse is pretty good with the Daiwa probably being a little more powerful.

 

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Hey there! I’m looking at getting the shimano aero x1 in the 10ft pellet waggler version. Here’s a review on it. It looks like a very good rod and is good for all fish sizes as it says in the review

 

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Have a look at the Greys Prologic Specialist Float rod. I’ve used mine specifically for commercials where you’ve a chance of silvers or carp up to 20lbs. Very nice action at 11ft.
 

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