Feeder tips - why all so heavy / only two tips provided

Philnun87

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Hey,

I was wondering firstly why most manufacturers only provide 2 feeder tips. I’m not being tight but I have seen £300-400 rods where they only come with 2 quiver tips...it’s not a rant, just thought surely it is always good to have a bit of a selection?

Also, I have found recently that there is a craze with manufacturers only offering tips say 1.5 and 2 oz...I get that with method feeders etc there is a need for slightly heavier tips but just wondered why manufacturers don’t offer lighter tips (even to buy separately).

I have just bought a map black parabolix feeder rod as even when fishing for carp I like a nice soft tip to gauge exactly what is going on in the peg, but struggled to find many rods like it.

I wondered if anyone else had had the same problem and what people’s thoughts were on feeder tips?

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Not a problem I've come across myself, vast majority of rods I've seen beyond the really budget ones have 3 tips. Both my 2 feeder rods and 2 Avon quiver rods have 3 or 4 quiver tip ranging from 1 to 4 oz. As I mostly fish rivers I don't need super light tips so use 1.5oz 90% of the time.
 

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Yes it does my head in too. When you can get cheap tip rods for around £25 that come supplied with 3 tips as standard and you get 2 with a rod that's 7 or 8 times the price. And to get a spare it costs on average upwards of £25.
We are having our pants pulled down.
 

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my 9 footer came with 2 oz and a 2 1/2 oz hollow carbon tips ,i tend to use the light one for the sensitive bites lol
 

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Yes it does my head in too. When you can get cheap tip rods for around £25 that come supplied with 3 tips as standard and you get 2 with a rod that's 7 or 8 times the price. And to get a spare it costs on average upwards of £25.
We are having our pants pulled down.
I agree. I get that people can have more specialist rods for silvers and separate rods for carp but it’s nice to have different tips to take account of tow / wind etc.

Even the Daiwa Airs for example only come with 2 tips and you are paying almost £500 a rod!
 

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my 9 footer came with 2 oz and a 2 1/2 oz hollow carbon tips ,i tend to use the light one for the sensitive bites lol
Ha at least you know when one is hooked 😁. Do you find you see bites from skimmers etc? I don’t think I’ve used a tip heavier than 1.5 oz tbh
 

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Not a problem I've come across myself, vast majority of rods I've seen beyond the really budget ones have 3 tips. Both my 2 feeder rods and 2 Avon quiver rods have 3 or 4 quiver tip ranging from 1 to 4 oz. As I mostly fish rivers I don't need super light tips so use 1.5oz 90% of the time.
Maybe it is rods which are more aimed at commercials in that case. I thought it was a budget thing initially but all the matrix horizons, Daiwa N’Zons some of the lower budget Preston rods etc all come with just 2 tips, really odd. When spare tips are costing around £20 quid seems a bit stingy to me, or at least offer the chance to buy them as additions (I know Preston do)
 

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Bear in mind that not all tips actually work with the rod. Most are a compromise. Include a tip which does not work with the blank and when Joe Public picks it up in a shop and checks out its action it can look really horrible. Result will often be no sale. Regardless of what happens on the bank.
 

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Bear in mind that not all tips actually work with the rod. Most are a compromise. Include a tip which does not work with the blank and when Joe Public picks it up in a shop and checks out its action it can look really horrible. Result will often be no sale. Regardless of what happens on the bank.
Hey RMNDIL, I get that the tip needs to fit the rod, your right no point having it if not. It used to be that 3 tips was standard with any feeder so just wondering what has changed in terms of the actions / potentially the carbon used that means that rods now have less versatility in that case? I know there is a trend for power rods (not my cup of tea tbh) wondering if that is why?
 

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Maybe it is rods which are more aimed at commercials in that case. I thought it was a budget thing initially but all the matrix horizons, Daiwa N’Zons some of the lower budget Preston rods etc all come with just 2 tips, really odd. When spare tips are costing around £20 quid seems a bit stingy to me, or at least offer the chance to buy them as additions (I know Preston do)
Ah yes that would make sense, I guess if a lot are aimed at commercial carp then a couple fairly insensitive tips is probably sufficient for a lot of people.

Of my feeder rods the acolyte ultra has 1.5oz, 2oz and 2.5oz as does the JW Avon quiver although think you can get a 1oz for the acolyte which I probably would get if I used it on stillwaters. Then the Shakespeare Mach XT wand has 1oz and 1.5oz both in carbon and in glass and the tfgear allrounder has 1oz, 2oz, 3oz and 4oz.
 

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At one point I had 5 browning Sphere tip rods and they all came with 4 tips and they were all interchangeable between rods. Expensive though. Fast forward to my Matrix horizons and there's only the XD range where i haven't swapped tips from what came as standard.
 

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Also bear in mind that fewer tips = cheaper rods and also extra sales in extra tips. But you're right, put a 1oz (genuine TC) into a rod which is designed to be used with 3oz and 4oz tips (of a length) and when under load it really will look horrible. Maybe that's why some Daiwa tips are printed with a TC which is much lower than they actually are. If they printed the real TC it might put people off ??
 

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Why do you not do 1/2 or 3/4 ounce tips for the acolyte tip rods? I find the smallest carbon 1oz tip far too stiff for small skimmers.
 

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Why do you not do 1/2 or 3/4 ounce tips for the acolyte tip rods? I find the smallest carbon 1oz tip far too stiff for small skimmers.
Is a bit odd isn't it you would think you would be able to get them as an extra. I'd personally never need less than 1oz myself as even a bottle top skimmer bite, let alone those of a size you'd want to catch, show with a bit of flow behind them most the time on a 1.5oz but can imagine it's a different story on stillwaters.
 

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I think my tricast rods only come with two tips carp power feeder, and carp wand
 

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Why do you not do 1/2 or 3/4 ounce tips for the acolyte tip rods? I find the smallest carbon 1oz tip far too stiff for small skimmers.
I’m sure I’ve seen a clip on YouTube showing AS using a 3/4oz tip and saying it’s due out in the spring 21.
 

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1/2oz is difficult - imagine the tolerances - but there was a 3/4oz made but not finalised and marketed. Nothing wrong with it though.
 

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One reason I tend to use and recommend Drennan feeder rods is the availability of extra tips from 1/2oz to 6oz, fast or slow taper and glass or carbon. Not so much with the Acolytes but all the previous models use the same tips. Don’t think anyone else offers such a large range.
 

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I saw a video by Andy May where he was using a 1/2 oz tip for carp. On my shimano Speedmaster rod I have always used 0.75oz for everything from skimmers through to carp. I hate having a heavy whereby you can’t see when fish are pecking at your feeder etc...on a heavier tip rod you would have no idea that these fish are even there most of the time
 
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