David Dimbleby - The Fault Line: Bush, Blair and Iraq

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On September 11th 2001, as he faced incalculable losses after the terrorist attacks that day, President George W Bush made a call to his greatest international ally: British Prime Minister Tony Blair. 18 months later, Bush and Blair led a coalition into a war that went horribly wrong. David Dimbleby, one of the BBC’s best known news hosts and reporters, takes us back to those crucial 18 months. Talking to prime ministers, politicians, spies and weapons inspectors he asks how and why we came to invade Iraq. And as we experience an era of lies and mistrust - did the events of 17 years ago set the stage for the world we live in now?



Has anyone listened to it yet?
 

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And the people were on the streets in the largest protest worldwide against the Iraq invasion and war

millions just in london
 

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Thirty nine nations fought against Iraq in the Gulf War and all sanctioned by the UN.
Easy to blame Blair and Bush but they were not alone.
 

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Thirty nine nations fought against Iraq in the Gulf War and all sanctioned by the UN.
Easy to blame Blair and Bush but they were not alone.
They were not but how many of the other nations relied on false information supplied by both our and the American governments?
 

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Thirty nine nations fought against Iraq in the Gulf War and all sanctioned by the UN.
Easy to blame Blair and Bush but they were not alone.
they weren't alone but Blair has to be held accountable for the loss of Biritsh lives in a war based upon a lie, let alone his share of the blame for the sh*t storm of terrorism and general hatred for the British ever since.
muslims hold grudges, for many the Crusades were only last week in terms of feeling hard done to.
 

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The 'mericans were determined to get in there and get access to all of that lovely oil. Bliar was at Bush's heels jumping like an excited spaniel puppy. Bush was too thick to realise that he'd been sold a pack of lies by his military and civil advisers alike. Bliar might not have been so sure but he was duty bound to follow his new bestest friend thicko George. The 'mericans had planned and thought that they'd go in hard, overwhelm any opposing forces then set up a puppet government. Bliar said "jump, how high"?
We've been paying for it in home security, mistrust and mass immigration since - and it ain't gonna change anytime soon. It cannot just be me that realises that the middle east is just one big tribal faction that's been sexual intercoursed since the end of WWI when the British and (mostly) the French reneged on the informal formal deal that T.E. Lawrence made with Faisal Hussein, the leader of the arab revolt which had helped the British win over the Turks and Ottomans.
 

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Anyone that thinks Iraq did not have illegal weapons are totally deluded, they used them on there own people, they were one of the only nations in the world that produced a carrier shell capable of delivering chemical weapons, they employed Gerald Bull to oversee their nuclear program with the promise that they would carry on his HALO project (super gun to you and me), MOSAD were certainly worried about what Mr Bull was doing in Iraq otherwise they would not have assassinated him. they had a history of chemical weapons. What they were good at was hiding them ....but then again if they got 2 weeks notice of an inspection by the UN weapons inspectors the they would have ample time to make sure they found nothing .....the rules that the weapons inspectors had to play by as laid down by the UN was that they had to give 14 days notice prior to any inspection. As much as we like to malign Bush, Blair etc they were in a bit of a no win situation if they sat back and did nothing and allowed the Iraqi regime to carry killing people if they were not part of the right religious sect then people would be saying how can you sit back and do nothing, however if they didn't sit back and did something about it ....well we know how that went. And yes make no bones about it, it was also about oil, but without the oil from the middle east then we would certainly not be able to lead the lifestyle that we currently do.
 

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I blame Tony Blair, Brexit and the Rockafellas ?
 

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Anyone that thinks Iraq did not have illegal weapons are totally deluded, they used them on there own people, they were one of the only nations in the world that produced a carrier shell capable of delivering chemical weapons, they employed Gerald Bull to oversee their nuclear program with the promise that they would carry on his HALO project (super gun to you and me), MOSAD were certainly worried about what Mr Bull was doing in Iraq otherwise they would not have assassinated him. they had a history of chemical weapons. What they were good at was hiding them ....but then again if they got 2 weeks notice of an inspection by the UN weapons inspectors the they would have ample time to make sure they found nothing .....the rules that the weapons inspectors had to play by as laid down by the UN was that they had to give 14 days notice prior to any inspection. As much as we like to malign Bush, Blair etc they were in a bit of a no win situation if they sat back and did nothing and allowed the Iraqi regime to carry killing people if they were not part of the right religious sect then people would be saying how can you sit back and do nothing, however if they didn't sit back and did something about it ....well we know how that went. And yes make no bones about it, it was also about oil, but without the oil from the middle east then we would certainly not be able to lead the lifestyle that we currently do.
Your right, without oil we would live a much healthier lifestyle with much less polution.
 

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Your right, without oil we would live a much healthier lifestyle with much less polution.
No we wouldn't as you can not switch off fossil fuel based energy until you have a viable replacement ready to take over.....if our supply of oil was switched off tomorrow we would be well and truely goosed. Its also not just about fuel what about all of the other products that are derived from oil?
not saying we should keep using fossil fuels but until there is a readily available viable alternative I'm afraid we are stuck with it or we go back to the dark ages
 

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No we wouldn't as you can not switch off fossil fuel based energy until you have a viable replacement ready to take over.....if our supply of oil was switched off tomorrow we would be well and truely goosed. Its also not just about fuel what about all of the other products that are derived from oil?
not saying we should keep using fossil fuels but until there is a readily available viable alternative I'm afraid we are stuck with it or we go back to the dark ages
How much oil is left?
Could the car industry be an indication?
Plenty of non fossil fuel where I am, miles of windfarms, nuclear powerstation with another one being planned ?
 

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Anyone that thinks Iraq did not have illegal weapons are totally deluded, they used them on there own people, they were one of the only nations in the world that produced a carrier shell capable of delivering chemical weapons, they employed Gerald Bull to oversee their nuclear program with the promise that they would carry on his HALO project (super gun to you and me), MOSAD were certainly worried about what Mr Bull was doing in Iraq otherwise they would not have assassinated him. they had a history of chemical weapons. What they were good at was hiding them ....but then again if they got 2 weeks notice of an inspection by the UN weapons inspectors the they would have ample time to make sure they found nothing .....the rules that the weapons inspectors had to play by as laid down by the UN was that they had to give 14 days notice prior to any inspection. As much as we like to malign Bush, Blair etc they were in a bit of a no win situation if they sat back and did nothing and allowed the Iraqi regime to carry killing people if they were not part of the right religious sect then people would be saying how can you sit back and do nothing, however if they didn't sit back and did something about it ....well we know how that went. And yes make no bones about it, it was also about oil, but without the oil from the middle east then we would certainly not be able to lead the lifestyle that we currently do.

Why have they not been found by now then ?
 

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being as we and the yanks have sattelite imagery that can read a newspaper from a thousand miles up, thats able to track a single mujahadeen deep inside a cave in afghanistan, see what a columbian cartel member is eating for his breakfast and the size method feeder that red leaders casting straight out

such disparities are a mystery to me
 

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being as we and the yanks have sattelite imagery that can read a newspaper from a thousand miles up, thats able to track a single mujahadeen deep inside a cave in afghanistan, see what a columbian cartel member is eating for his breakfast and the size method feeder that red leaders casting straight out

such disparities are a mystery to me
Whilst this technology is out there - a satellite only has a limited time frame and the world is very big!
 

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being as we and the yanks have sattelite imagery that can read a newspaper from a thousand miles up, thats able to track a single mujahadeen deep inside a cave in afghanistan, see what a columbian cartel member is eating for his breakfast and the size method feeder that red leaders casting straight out

such disparities are a mystery to me
Maybe that is why the yanks were so certain they were there
 

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How much oil is left?
Could the car industry be an indication?
Plenty of non fossil fuel where I am, miles of windfarms, nuclear powerstation with another one being planned ?

According to this article - How Much Oil is Left in the World? - Drillers

In its latest Statistical Review of World Energy, BP estimated the world had 1.7297 trillion barrels of crude oil remaining at the end of 2018. That was up from 1.7275 trillion barrels a year earlier and 1.4938 trillion barrels in 2008. In 1998, the world had 1.1412 trillion barrels in remaining reserves.

So, as demand has continued to grow consistently over the last 20 years, so has production and, counter intuitively, so have global oil reserves. Yet in that same statistical review, BP said these higher reserves would last us for just another 50 years: another metric oil companies use to measure their business sustainability.
 
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