Controlling Carp Runs On The Pole.

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Hi. Firstly, it's great to be back fishing again, hope everyone's enjoying being back on the bank!

I have a question regarding controlling runs on the pole as I have always struggled with this.

I absolutely love to fish in the margins for big lumps, that's always my go to when I pleasure fish. I have a Maver Abyss X margin pole and some Map 14-18 elastic fitted so I feel like I have strong enough tackle. I have a pulla bung rather than a side pulla.

I had an amazing day yesterday on a pool I fish but lost about 5-6 carp where I had absolutely no control over them. What happens is the elastic just streams out the end and even when I put all my sections on and lower my pole under the water I still can't seem to gain any control and they just keep running and running, the bend in my pole was frightening a couple times, thought it was going to snap...

Are there any tips I can try next time this happens? I watch these videos on YouTube and see the pros land some massive carp on bloody size 10 elastic and they have them under control in seconds, I don't understand what I'm doing wrong.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
 

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possibly foul hooked but also nothing you can do, tip under the water and hope for the best is all you can at that point or change to rod and reel

bigger fish generally do come in easier, also the harder you pull the harder they fight (though not all waters), but this time of year they are full of beans anyway so sometimes there is nothing you can do, even if hooked in the mouth
 

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Put the pole top in the water and keep it there til you get some control on it... if you get a hook pull or a snap off the pole rig wont come back and hit you, but will come back under the water...

I found that if you hold the pole tip high the fish fight harder... by keeping it low they panic less

Addendum if you have your elastic set too tight this can cause problems to... a slack hollow elastic will allow you to set the hook firmly but allow the elastic to power up progressively and you get control quicker... rather than hit and hold, but deffo get the pole tip under the water
 
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Chances are they are foul hookers mate and there is very little you can do with them. Having said that I’ve just got back from a session and landed a 7lber hooked in the tale on 6-10 elastic... bit of an ordeal.

Cant speak for every water but I know on a few we use the fish don’t go as mad if you use a lighter elastic, they seek to fight much more subdued.
 

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Hi. Firstly, it's great to be back fishing again, hope everyone's enjoying being back on the bank!

I have a question regarding controlling runs on the pole as I have always struggled with this.

I absolutely love to fish in the margins for big lumps, that's always my go to when I pleasure fish. I have a Maver Abyss X margin pole and some Map 14-18 elastic fitted so I feel like I have strong enough tackle. I have a pulla bung rather than a side pulla.

I had an amazing day yesterday on a pool I fish but lost about 5-6 carp where I had absolutely no control over them. What happens is the elastic just streams out the end and even when I put all my sections on and lower my pole under the water I still can't seem to gain any control and they just keep running and running, the bend in my pole was frightening a couple times, thought it was going to snap...

Are there any tips I can try next time this happens? I watch these videos on YouTube and see the pros land some massive carp on bloody size 10 elastic and they have them under control in seconds, I don't understand what I'm doing wrong.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
Possibly foulhooked. Thats the potential issue
 

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Aside from stepping up your gear maybe go oldskool. Running line? It’s how we used to land them years ago. I haven’t got one myself but a lot of people used to swear by a centrepin.
 

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Stronger laccie, that will steady them up,18-20 middy blue , and have confidence in your pole
That's what I have through number one section of 4 metre shimano beastmaster extreme, and number one on shock stick type margin pole. Main margin pole has Drennan Bungee in topkits.
 

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Not much more I can add. I too use a Maver Abyss X. The only thing I would say is that I would not add sections. If you are going to stop the fish you will do so in the first few seconds or not at all. Those you cannot stop are probably foul hooked so adding sections will not help.

I have advocated the tip underwater technique for a long while. If that does not work then the fish is not hooked in the mouth unless it is a real monster. The one thing I would do is almost point the pole at the fish. Near enough to allow the whole length of elastic to work but not a shallow enough angle for the topkit to pull off. This will reduce the chance of breaking the pole while allowing maximum use of elastic.

In use B911 and B611 hooks and find that these will straighten on a foulhooked fish before the line, or pole, breaks. It sounds wrong but a weaker hook is safer for the rest of the tackle.
 

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Reading the original post does seem to suggest foul hooking maybe the problem. Your setup sounds about right, but I would definitely look at my feeding patterns, depth of water your fishing in and have extra sections to hand if needed. Margin fishing with rigs with B911/B611 hooks generally will end in grief, and not IMO recommended.
 

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Reading the original post does seem to suggest foul hooking maybe the problem. Your setup sounds about right, but I would definitely look at my feeding patterns, depth of water your fishing in and have extra sections to hand if needed. Margin fishing with rigs with B911/B611 hooks generally will end in grief, and not IMO recommended.
It works for Neil, he’s never had a hook pull, never lost a fish, never had a hook open up(b611 + 18-20 lac), and never bumped a silver 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
 

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You need to get back to your top kit as quick as you can, put the tip under the water and pull.The next step is to lift the top kit when you think the fish is in netting range taking into account rig length. It takes a bit of practice but works well. You normally get one chance to net the fish, if you miss your chance the fish go on another run so just repeat the process. The secret is to net the fish before it sees the net. The top anglers net the fish before it surfaces they know where the fish is under the water in relationship to their rig IE when the last shot on the rig is visible. That's what Andy May showed me one day when I was pegged next to him and I was struggling to land big fish.
 

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It works for Neil, he’s never had a hook pull, never lost a fish, never had a hook open up(b611 + 18-20 lac), and never bumped a silver 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

That maybe the case mate....But I won't be following suit.... ;) :giggle:
 

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Guru do a nice strong spade I'm told? I still use Drennan Super specialist for small hooks, 16s 18s 14s in the wide gape. Have now brought some B911X BUT not tried them as yet.
I had a fouled hooked fish yesterday, about 5/6 pound, until it was close in I thought it was one of the bigger fish in the lake 9/15 pound. Sure they must be fouled hooked?
 

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Stronger laccie, that will steady them up,18-20 middy blue , and have confidence in your pole
Yep strong pole and solid blue 18/20, they pull hard i pull harder.
My Sensas 855 is brilliant for battling munters.

I get done too often with hollow, stretches far too much and they have you in the tree roots.

If i do hook a carp whilst targeting the F1s with a hollow elastic in the top kit i do try to play them low, pole tip in the water.
Fine in open water but near a snag and you wont win.
 

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Reading the original post does seem to suggest foul hooking maybe the problem. Your setup sounds about right, but I would definitely look at my feeding patterns, depth of water your fishing in and have extra sections to hand if needed. Margin fishing with rigs with B911/B611 hooks generally will end in grief, and not IMO recommended.

I can only report what I use. Perhaps my margin fish are not that big.
 

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More info needed.

What hooks are you using ?
What depth are the margins ?
What are you feeding ?
How big are the fish your targeting ?
 

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I have fished some venues that are just near enough impossible for me as the Carp are just too beastly. I'm sure there's a way and the advice that you get will help but to me sometimes I just admit defeat and choose other venues. :LOL: :unsure:
 
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