Continued Decline at Brafferton

pal.64

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Decline seems to be continuing...are you seeing the same trend?
Regularly fished all the lakes and know the venue pretty well. Previous years enjoyed significant weights so unless tactics have completely changed for new it’s all really disappointing.
Match weights used regularly range from 70 to 180lb+ where now weights are in the high teens at best and consistently people returning 5 to 10lb for most on F1 Lake with the odd decent weight but nothing like before.
Appreciating the weather has been up and down extreams at times this year but other local venues are consistently performing on the same days when it’s been very hot or very wet/ windy.
Hopefully it recovers it’s form
 

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Talking to Lloyd yesterday the otter has 'left' and nobody mentioned spotting anything furry with four legs other than the squirrel my mate was feeding on Spring Lake.

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its been hammered for last 2 years nothings being dun venues knackerd all the big fish have took the worst of it on all the lakes
 

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all the big fish have took the worst of it on all the lakes
Sorry but that's ******** - have you actually had a walk round recently?
There wasn't much showing yesterday ('cos it was a bit of a manky day I guess) but I had a walk around Spring Lake a fortnight back, about an hour after the matches had finished and everyone had left and there were dozens of fish cruising about - there was a ghostie about eight pounds right in the margin, it swam out into the middle and joined two other fish that were both a foot longer - mid-doubles easily.
Margins were full of carp ripping up the bottom for anglers discarded bait - you could see the tail patterns - it was very similar on F1 that night too

The biggest reason that F1 has seen a downturn in weights is it's got too popular - it has never fished when full or nearly full. Smaller matches produce 100lb+ weights and suddenly it gets popular again, every peg's taken and the weights crash - it's always been the same. Match we had on there last summer on a real manky day saw half our mob not turn up so we spread out and the winner had 140lb Wild and Windy at Brafferton

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<Edit> everyone knows its goosed get your facts rite otters are seen daily on each lake carcasses allover
 
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Simon R

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I was there yesterday - no otters, no dead fish - you were there when exactly?

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<Edit> im not arguing with u we pop in every other week the place is empty everyone u talk to says same thing.i know it hard to deal with the otters being on rivers doorstep but the poor weight prove it and if u look in bushes ul see plenty carcasses
 
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No need to call anyone a fool pal. I fished it about 6 or 8 week ago and had 135lb on a pleasure session on island lake
Maybe Simon is right about the fish backing off when there’s large numbers on the lakes ? Maybe he isn’t but there’s no need for the verbals
 

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This notion that ‘the Otter’ has I’m sorry to say has left is a little far fetched.....I’m not an Otter expert, but I would lay good money they don’t travel around on their own. Pretty sure there’s more than 1 or has been. As you say the numerous fish carcasses confirms that.
I had 1 up and down in my peg 2-weeks ago on F1 looking around like a seal. Couldn’t believe how fast it could swim. Bold as brass jumping on the bank and scurrying into the trees between F1 & Ghost. That was followed by a group of 6 mink with young tow so they’re obviously breeding. 5lb weighed that day
 

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No need to call anyone a fool pal. I fished it about 6 or 8 week ago and had 135lb on a pleasure session on island lake
Maybe Simon is right about the fish backing off when there’s large numbers on the lakes ? Maybe he isn’t but there’s no need for the verbals
i think u need to look at his post mate saying im talking s**t thats not very nice now is it
 

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Just read yours again Simon but sorry, get real and honest with yourself. The F1 lakes has performed terribly all year. I go every week and know what the performance is like especially F1 & Ghost. The latter has fished better for sure but not as good as previous years and F1 I’m sorry but you are wrong.
I’ve fished matches when there’s been 10 people and others when 5gere been no more than 25 so the notion the fish back off is as you sal boll***s. If you can’t see the dead fish chewed to bits have a proper walk around of look in the trees between the lakes. There not difficult to spot between the traps.
I’m gutted and feel for Lloyd...I hope something can be done for all the stock is obliterated and clubs stop booking the venue.
Have you seen the results elsewhere ie Sessay when it’s full? The truth is the F1 stocks are no longer what they were....that could be due to aged fish though more likely they rounded up by Otters which are killing machines at best
 

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Same thing really....fact remains the same....The popularity is declining rapidly
Accepting the owner saying the Otter has left is a bit like an alcoholic offering to mange a pub with a free bar while you’re away on holiday
The results are what they are and the black things swimming around for all to see never mind the fish skeletons. Must be the popularity. Get real
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If it's as bad as people say as a result of Otters, the owner needs to look into grants and loans to erect Otter fencing before he ends up with just water-filled holes in the ground
 

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Ive heard since the old lad died the interest in elsewhere once the peg fee's have been taken.
 

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Ive heard since the old lad died the interest in elsewhere once the peg fee's have been taken.
That may be so but he did, so he told me, bung ten grands worth of stock into the lakes last winter - mainly F1s - and when I pleasure fished it early this year there were a lot of small F1s in Spring Lake that weren't present the year before.

I'm very surprised that considering this otter is seen so often there haven't been any photos shared around - everybody has cameras on their phones these days - has nobody had the presence of mind to take a snap?

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Believe me they are there without any doubt whatsoever. I’ve seen one close up ie it was sat in the middle of my peg before dashing off on a match a couple of weeks back as did approx 20 other match anglers so there was no doubt. That’s in addition to the carcasses too. The amazing thing is how fast they are it’s pretty tricky getting a phone out, poised and snapped.
The same day there was a group of 5 or 6 Mink happily swimming backwards and forwards with young in tow as mentioned.
Ref to the small F1s they yes they have been caught this year on F1. Didn’t Lloyd top up some stock at 5he start of the year. My understanding was that F1s don’t naturally spawn but I’m no expert.
I would certainly be chasing a grant or seeking specialist help.
Official established facts to consider is that Otters in general need to eat a whole lot to satisfy speedy metabolisms. They eat between 15-25 percent of their body weight in food every day. To get enough to eat, they may spend as much as 5 hours a day foraging for food.
If there has been at least 2 in F1 predominantly for a year or so with possible young to feed, you do the maths.
 
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