Commercials, Why It Upsets Me

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mickthechippy

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reports are reports

there aint that many that would report the sort of match catches I did, (in the days of yore before pictures were a requisit)
 

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"but most people want to catch big fish"
Not just big fish, just fish

What people forget is in the dark ages you only usually saw photos of fish or big nets and when you did you thought the anglers were a bit special,
Now in the age of social media everyone can see what can be achieved and how to achieve it.
I see the Barbel pictures from the Trent lads on here and it motivates me to go out and do something about my own poor returns this season.
Yes the mystery has gone somewhat but at least now I can try to live the experience for myself.

Me too mate. . Best sport in the world isn’t it pal ? 👍
Without a doubt mate!
 

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In the area where I live there used to be hundreds of small ponds. Near enough every field had a pond in it. These ponds usually held Crucians, Tench , Perch and Rudd. Not many were club waters and most could be fished by anyone.
Those days are long gone. A lot have been built on and those that were left became heavily fished. To the point where that much litter etc was left behind that the landowners just stopped people fishing.
Nowadays there is just one decent venue within a 10 mile radius that anyone can fish and that is a commercial called Whitmore. During summer and weekends in winter nearly every peg is filled, either by the half a dozen matches taking place, or pleasure anglers. There are a few clubs in the area but all of these have limited access to water. What waters these clubs have are generally managed to be along the lines of a commercial. This is what people want these days, they want to catch Carp. Just watch the pleasure anglers on Whitmore and most of them are chucking method feeders, catching low doubles and having their pictures taken. It makes them happy.
Without Commercial fisheries the tackle trade would have probably gone into serious decline. The busiest tackle shop in the area doesn't even sell Sea fishing tackle and he's less than 4 miles from the coast. You can't even get the sort of fine tackle that you would want for canal fishing, He doesn't stock very light line or tiny hooks. Yet the Lancaster Canal is 15 min by car. However he stocks everything the Commercial Match Angler could possibly want, from which ever company he wants it from.
I believe fishing in general, no matter what discipline you follow, would be worse off without Commercials. Because it's Commercials, one way or another that puts money into the industry
 

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Make the effort when the chance arises to meet people on here, doesn't half help with understanding and interpreting their written words when reading them.
For me its all about someones enthusiasm for their fishing, whatever their preferred type of fishing.

If their enthusiasm comes through in posts alone great.
If its then confirmed by meeting/fishing with them even better.
 

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In the area where I live there used to be hundreds of small ponds. Near enough every field had a pond in it. These ponds usually held Crucians, Tench , Perch and Rudd. Not many were club waters and most could be fished by anyone.
Those days are long gone. A lot have been built on and those that were left became heavily fished. To the point where that much litter etc was left behind that the landowners just stopped people fishing.
Nowadays there is just one decent venue within a 10 mile radius that anyone can fish and that is a commercial called Whitmore. During summer and weekends in winter nearly every peg is filled, either by the half a dozen matches taking place, or pleasure anglers. There are a few clubs in the area but all of these have limited access to water. What waters these clubs have are generally managed to be along the lines of a commercial. This is what people want these days, they want to catch Carp. Just watch the pleasure anglers on Whitmore and most of them are chucking method feeders, catching low doubles and having their pictures taken. It makes them happy.
Without Commercial fisheries the tackle trade would have probably gone into serious decline. The busiest tackle shop in the area doesn't even sell Sea fishing tackle and he's less than 4 miles from the coast. You can't even get the sort of fine tackle that you would want for canal fishing, He doesn't stock very light line or tiny hooks. Yet the Lancaster Canal is 15 min by car. However he stocks everything the Commercial Match Angler could possibly want, from which ever company he wants it from.
I believe fishing in general, no matter what discipline you follow, would be worse off without Commercials. Because it's Commercials, one way or another that puts money into the industry

Trust you to support the "Commies" :p
 

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On most commercials, it's easy to catch fish usually. But to catch a lot of fish consistenly usually takes skill. So they shouldn't be dismissed as easy. I think it can be a problem in some places, where it's hard to find a non commercial fishery, as it's good to have a variety of fishing. But there is a place for commercials and they shouldn't be dismissed.
 

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On most commercials, it's easy to catch fish usually. But to catch a lot of fish consistenly usually takes skill. So they shouldn't be dismissed as easy. I think it can be a problem in some places, where it's hard to find a non commercial fishery, as it's good to have a variety of fishing. But there is a place for commercials and they shouldn't be dismissed.
A lot will probably be surprised how easy it is to ruin a peg on Commercials. The number of anglers, especially at club level that go straight in at the all-in with big cups of feed, never ceases to amaze me. They've probably spent a good hour sat on their peg preparing, with fish blowing in front of them. Already there, already in feeding mode just needing a bit of bait and they're on the hook. Then crash bang wallop big dollops everywhere. Fish scattered, their match over.
 

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I fish matches and when I see terms like ‘puddle pigs’ and ‘hook a duck fishing’ I couldn’t care less.

I don’t slate anyone for their chosen preference, if anyone slates mine, I think it says more about them than me. Sleep well at night @Neil ofthe nene and don’t let the bar stools grind you down 👍
 

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Neil there are commercials and there are commercials though!!

If I see a lake throwing up multiple 300/400/500 or even 900lbs bags I see that as a negative fir sure and will criticise and comment as I feel its indefensible.

Just as criticise carp anglers and barbel police for holier than though attitudes (annoys the heck out if me!)

Yet I am a carp angler, some of the year, a barbel angler some of the year and generalist much of the year I fish one maybe two matches a year usually on a commercial where 100lb is a rarity .

For me a net of silvers will always give more pleasure than a net of carp, but each to their own. He k I couldn't lift a 50lb net anyway
 

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I`m surprised people get wound up over banter between different types of fishing.

Perhaps Mr Nene is having us all on.
I`m surprised people get wound up over banter between different types of fishing.

Perhaps Mr Nene is having us all on.
. I don’t think he is , surprised it’s not in his “blog” 👍
 

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It's not just the fishing that makes commercials popular though. ;)

Wake up and realise you fancy an impromptu days fishing. Bung the kit in the car, drive there. Have a spot of breakfast in the onsite cafe, get your bait and a few bits and bobs you didn't realise you needed from the onsite tackle shop, Park behind your peg and get set up without having to lug half a ton of kit along the bank. relax knowing that no little scrote is going to break into your motor and catch a few fish from a nice comfy peg. I could go on, Disabled friendly pegs, decent toilets if the missus wants to come along with you..the pluses outweigh the negatives for most.

With regards to new anglers I doubt much has changed in terms of how they're getting into the sport, I reckon you'll be hard pressed to find many people who wet their first lines on a commercial.

Besides where ever your dad / grandad first took you as a kid, I think the first port of call for somebody getting into angling is still the local canals and ponds... at that point - personally I don't think catches make much of an impact, we all know there's a lot more to angling than landing a fish and I don't think that is what makes or breaks an prospective angler.

If anything I think a struggle to catch is going to spark more curiosity and sense of challenge than it is going to put somebody off.

Imagine catching even 20lb on commercial on your first day of fishing... you'll be like "right I've done fishing, what's next? cycling...? rock climbing...?" having learnt and understood next to nothing about the sport.

I really don't think you could be further from the truth if you tried.
Take a 7-8 year old out for the first time and if you're lucky his attention spam may last 2-3 hours before he gets bored and looses interest, struggling to catch isn't going to spark their curiosity but in all possibility drive them straight back to their playstations. A few bites from the plentiful silvers in most Commercials that many anglers ignore might just ignite the spark to generate the interest. ;)
 

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I really don't think you could be further from the truth if you tried.
Take a 7-8 year old out for the first time and if you're lucky his attention spam may last 2-3 hours before he gets bored and looses interest, struggling to catch isn't going to spark their curiosity but in all possibility drive them straight back to their playstations. A few bites from the plentiful silvers in most Commercials that many anglers ignore might just ignite the spark to generate the interest. ;)

The thing is I don't think you're ever going to get the buy-in from a 7 - 8 year old.

From 0-10 I was dragged around the country in a MK4 Ford Escort, buried under carp tackle with Oasis on full blast, they are the best memories of my childhood - back then I thought I hated it, but now I know what it was all about and I'll take those memories of me and my dad to the grave.
There's the plenty of times he took me to the local ponds and canals waggling for "whatever".

I must have reeled in my first fish at... 3?

I've touched Carp that probably weighed close to what I did at the time.

Despite all that, I'd only ever "done fishing", I didn't become "an angler"... join a club... set off on my own day's out... find my own style of fishing... invest and contribute to the industry... until now in my 20's.

Also, I don't think kids do much for the tackle industry, with all due respect to the little buggers... I think there's an important distinction to make between "new anglers" and "kids trying out fishing".

I bumped into a guy on the Macc Canal the other day, he was lure fishing for Pike and also had a dropshot setup, well into his 40's I reckon, he said he's been fishing for 6 weeks, that's the kind of people I'm talking about.
 
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Apparently I first fished at the age of about 7 but I have no recollection of it, was 11 before I started properly and about 13 before you could really call me an angler.
 

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My thoughts are Red Riding Hood was correct in what he says and if read properly did,nt word his post wrongly
he stated "commercials are easy for anyone to catch fish",which generally is correct ,you CAN take a 5 year old to a
commie and they can catch a few carp/fish. He then goes on to say those that know what they are doing will catch
a lot more fish and much more consistently,not word for word but thats how i read his post,again he is correct.
nowhere in the his post did i read anything derogatory about commercials,someone being oversensitive i suspect.
I don,t fish commercials if i can avoid them but they are brilliant for those that do.
Just fish how you want ,where you want ,lifes too short to worry what others say.
 

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A lot will probably be surprised how easy it is to ruin a peg on Commercials. The number of anglers, especially at club level that go straight in at the all-in with big cups of feed, never ceases to amaze me. They've probably spent a good hour sat on their peg preparing, with fish blowing in front of them. Already there, already in feeding mode just needing a bit of bait and they're on the hook. Then crash bang wallop big dollops everywhere. Fish scattered, their match over.
Spot on. Some of the best commercial anglers I’ve fished with fish for one fish at a time. On numerous occasions at Lindhlolm have I witnessed Alan Scothorne getting a battering in the first hour only to come back strong mid match because he hasn’t jiggered his swim up. Catching fish is one thing building a big weight like anglers like Chefster does on a regular basis is another.
 

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As my lad gets older and more into his open matches the more my fishing is becoming all about commercials. I've tried pleasure fishing them while he's in the match but it doesn't interest me. If I'm to fish a commy I may as well fish the match. The standard at places like Partridge is way above me but even at my age I'm learning all the time. Even had a section win the other week. Maybe when he gets old enough to drive himself I'll be able to go back to fishing with my Waggler rod for silvers but until then it's Commercials.
 

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My view on commercials is that they concentrate solely on the catching fish aspect. This is not so daft as it sounds, bear with me. I have often said, on here, that fishing can be an adventure, irrespective of whether you catch or not. I would often walk a mile or more to a stretch of river or a small stream, spend an hour hacking through bankside vegetation before trotting a float through for a few chublets or small roach. Even if I blanked, I would have thoroughly enjoyed the day. If I had the hankering just to catch a few fish I would visit a commie. I get enjoyment from all aspects of our sport and, although I love a bit of banter as much as anyone I think it is self destructive to snipe personal comments at each others chosen branch. Anyone remember the famous row at TC pit with Tref West, in the 70's/80's?
 
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