Commercials closing early.

Griffo

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Yep my local ponds also 7pm, totally Banjaxes an evening session. But for those of us that don’t have working legs any more the convenience of park behind your peg is the main factor now, love to be able to walk Miles up and down a river bank again but it ain’t going to happen until both knees are swapped, so the need for these commies or holes in the ground that you can park close by make the difference of still getting out and enjoying it or giving it up full stop.
 

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If I lived on site I think I would want to know that the site was cleared by a reasonable hour. That would mean that anyone there after hours was up to no good. It happens!

If you want to fish dawn to dusk get your own fishery. :love:
 

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Well down here in West Cornwall, we have BK Fisheries which are open 8am to 5pm. They do have night fishing tickets available for the bivvy brigade on Bill's Pool, which is where the big carp live. But it seems ridiculous that anglers can't fish for a couple of hours after work. Amalwhidden Farm is more reasonable with 8am to 9pm, and sells evening tickets after 3pm. South West Lakes allow day ticket fishing from dawn to dusk on it's reservoirs.
 

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Fortunately my locals are open until dusk so I can fit a summer session in after work, dealing with the school runs, cooking dinner.

All well and good closing early if your customers are retired. Could cost you your client base later if younger working people can't fit in a visit and quit...
 

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Fortunately my locals are open until dusk so I can fit a summer session in after work, dealing with the school runs, cooking dinner.

All well and good closing early if your customers are retired. Could cost you your client base later if younger working people can't fit in a visit and quit...
Closing early might be all well and good for the fishery but it isn't all well and good for me and I am retired.

I don't go to any fishery that does this. My biggest disappointment is Hayfield. Two miles from my front door, excellent fishery and a lovely place. They now open at 8.00am and everybody has to out by 6.00pm. Fisheries like this get the bulk of their revenue from match anglers who would be on their way home by 6.00pm. Hacking off the occasional pleasure angler wouldn't bother them much.
 

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There is a very nice little pool tucked away in Tutbury, has 5 pegs and can get busy. When I used to work up there it was run via an honesty box and I used to grab a few hours after work in the summer, small crucians, tench and a few carp. Nice way to relax for 3-4 hours.
 

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Some of you might know, I think I've mentioned it before :), that I don't have much love for so called 'commercials'. When I've posted my thoughts on them being too restrictive, with too many rules, I've been told,
'As the name implies, it's a commercial business, and, they are entitled to make their own rules'.
'They only provide what the majority of their customers want'.

As I understand it, the purpose of a 'business' is to maximise profits, with the minimum practical investment, both monetary, and in physical effort.
If the owner can make his money, within 'normal' business hours, then why should he extend those hours? As well as the poaching problem mentioned earlier, I think that the insurance would require some of staff to be present whenever the place is open to the public, these people have to be paid. If the number of patrons outside those hours is such that it doesn't cover the extra expense, then he will be operating at a partial loss. If so few want to fish outside those hours, then it can't be 'what the majority want'.

The advice I usually get is, either 'suck it up', or 'don't use the places', I'm quite happy to do the latter. I'll add my own bit of advice, and that's to find a club that has some of it's own waters, both still and moving, with less restrictive rules. You might not catch as many fish, but you will expand your angling knowledge and experience, and probably save a few quid at the same time.(y):)

John.
 

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As an angler and fishery owner I can see both sides of the coin.

My own fishing generally involves unsociable hours - either early or late specialist fishing. So I fish club waters and syndicates. Almost never on ‘commercials’.

My own fishery now runs on a fairly non-commercial basis that revolves around no day tickets and long term (week) use of holiday chalets.

That way I have control of who is on the site and I don’t have to be there early to open the gate and then late to chuck people off. It also restricts the numbers.

Im not interested in the daily hassle associated with day/half day fishing. I fully appreciate that ignoring that market is detrimental to my wallet. But it is undoubtedly beneficial to my sanity and the general wellbeing of the fishery. I deliberately don’t live on-site so that I’m not at ‘work’ 24/7.

I don’t need:
queues outside the gate in the morning
people running to secure the best swims
people trying to stay on after ‘closing time’
people not wanting to pay
people using too many rods
people leaving litter
people crapping in the bushes (despite the provision of a proper flush toilet)
people driving round a locked gate (!) so they can get nearer to their swim to save carrying their stuff back to the car
people stealing fish
people bringing livebaits with them
people fishing like morons and endangering my valuable fish/bird life etc
loads of silly rules to cater for the lowest common denominator
stressed fish because I have to overstock to keep my customers ‘happy’
aerators
etc etc

Ive been round the block a few times - so I know most of the tricks etc to lookout for…

If people are here for a week I have a chance to build a relationship with them (if it’s worth my while! and I want them to come back) and try and help them catch fish if they are struggling. Most fishing is pretty straightforward if you get the basics right…But you would be surprised how many so called anglers are basically incompetent and don’t want to learn.

If I ever went back to selling day tickets, it would be very limited access, booked in advance etc. That way I have phone numbers/car regs etc so I have an idea of Who is on my fishery.
 
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Fishery owners do have to put up with a lot.

The lady at the local commie has told me she often has to chuck people off for swimming in the summer. This place has quite large lakes but still the cheek of some people!
 

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Fishery owners do have to put up with a lot.

The lady at the local commie has told me she often has to chuck people off for swimming in the summer. This place has quite large lakes but still the cheek of some people!
A guy I know runs a complex of lakes somewhere in the west London area.

He loves swimmers. He runs open water swimming days and takes more money in one day than he gets for an entire season of fishing.

The swimmers say ‘thank you’ when they go home. The anglers moan all day, won’t pay sensible money, leave litter and want more fish stocked, cormorants shot etc etc. He has to work harder and yet gets less in return.

Guess what, next year he’s doing more swimming days and NO fishing.
 

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Its funny on the wirral i know a couple of commercials one opens at 8 and close at 6 the other opens at 9 and closes at 7 which both have matches on during the day doesnt seem to effect the weights others are dawn till dusk like most on the site you cannot beat getting up and being on the bank for 4:30 or after work 6 till 9
 
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