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Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months​

BMJ analysis of 48,000 records also finds one in eight patients die within four months of discharge.

Nearly a third of people who have been in hospital suffering from Covid-19 are readmitted for further treatment within four months of being discharged, and one in eight of patients dies in the same period, doctors have found.

The striking long-term impact of the disease has prompted doctors to call for ongoing tests and monitoring of former coronavirus patients to detect early signs of organ damage and other complications caused by the virus.

While Covid is widely known to cause serious respiratory problems, the virus can also infect and damage other organs such as the heart, liver and kidneys.

Researchers at University College London, the Office for National Statistics, and the University of Leicester, compared medical records of nearly 48,000 people who had had hospital treatment for Covid and had been discharged by 31 August 2020, with records from a matched control group of people in the general population.

The records were used to track rates of readmission, of deaths, and of diagnoses for a range of respiratory, heart, kidney, liver and metabolic diseases, such as diabetes.

After an average follow-up time of 140 days, nearly a third of the Covid patients who had been discharged from hospital had been readmitted and about one in eight had died, rates considerably higher than seen in the control group.

“This is a concern and we need to take it seriously,” said Dr Amitava Banerjee, at the Institute of Health Informatics at University College London. “We show conclusively here that this is very far from a benign illness. We need to monitor post-Covid patients so we can pick up organ impairment early on.”

Unexplained symptoms that persist for more than four months are often described as “long Covid” or “post-Covid syndrome”, but doctors are still working out patterns of long-term organ damage that can be caused by the infection.

New diagnoses of respiratory and heart disease and diabetes were all raised in the former Covid patients compared with the control group, as were problems with the function of multiple organs. The rate of multi-organ dysfunction after discharge was greater among patients under the age of 70 compared with those over 70, they found, and the rate was higher in ethnic minorities than in the white population.

The authors write in the BMJ: “The increase in risk was not confined to the elderly and was not uniform across ethnicities. The diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of post-Covid syndrome requires integrated rather than organ or disease specific approaches, and urgent research is needed to establish the risk factors. Our findings suggest that the long-term burden of Covid-19 related morbidity on hospitals and broader healthcare systems might be substantial.”

The study revealed that while existing conditions such as heart disease, diabetes and respiratory illnesses put people at greater risk of severe Covid disease, the infection itself could cause such medical problems.

“Until now we tended to think of heart disease, kidney disease and diabetes as risk factors for Covid patients, but these are also complications of Covid as well,” said Banerjee.
 

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The positive cases have been around 5,000 for a few weeks now.
schools have been back 4 weeks and there doesn’t seem to me to been any impact on the cases.
In your view
Should the schools have gone back earlier
Is it still to early to say there hasn’t been a impact
Is it just the virus is on the downturn at same time schools gone back.
 

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Think its the vaccinations offsetting any increase in cases from schools.
Saw somewhere that infections of school age kids had risen a bit, typical age group of their parents about level and all older categories going down.
As vaccinations kick in to the younger age groups cases should come down more.
Death rates way down though which has to be down to vaccination.
 

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Ignore the headline because that's not really what he says at all but there are some other interesting bits such as.....

"We want to get as close as we can [to zero] but the question is how do you balance that against other priorities?" he said. "What are people prepared to put up with? What we've demonstrated in the last year is we don't have to have flu at all if we don't want to, because the things we’ve done against Covid have led to virtually no influenza."

Prof Whitty said that it was impossible to prevent variants from coming into the UK, and argued that shutting the borders would be unlikely to prevent new infections.

The Government has been strongly criticised for keeping the borders open during both lockdowns, even though studies have shown that the vast majority of Britain’s cases were imported from countries like Spain and Italy.

"We have to accept the idea that stopping variants coming to the UK is not a realistic starting point, but you can slow it down," he said. "Anyone who believes you can put up some border policy that stops it is misunderstanding the problem completely.

"While the 'R' is less than one, which it has been for two or three months, then new variants don't have much of a foothold. Once we start to open things up, then if a variant comes in it has the opportunity to spread and the more cases you import the quicker the starting point. What we’re trying to do is slow it down.”

Prof Whitty also said that it was sensible to keep an "open mind" on whether the AstraZeneca vaccine caused blood clots until it was proven otherwise.
 

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The webinar the above is from is online. It's a fairly long watch, but the whole thing is worth a viewing because it's stripped from all the politics of the situation.


He talks about variants from about 12 mins. Before that, the vaccination policy of delaying the second jab is talked about and explains they knew there was a risk involved with that delay and they were prepared to review it and change it if need be.
 

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This is worrying !

"The UK Government’s reporting system for COVID vaccine adverse reactions from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency released their latest report today, April 1, 2021.

The report covers data collected from December 9, 2020, through March 21, 2021, for the two experimental COVID vaccines currently in use in the U.K. from Pfizer and AstraZeneca.

They report a total of 713 deaths and 495,345 injuries recorded following the experimental vaccines.

That is an increase of 119 deaths and 90,820 injuries recorded since last week. 95 of the 119 recorded deaths this past week followed AstraZeneca COVID injections.

More than 20 countries had suspended injections of the AstraZeneca experimental COVID shots due to concerns over fatal blood clots, but the European Medicines Agency (EMA) concluded that there was no link between the AstraZeneca experimental COVID shots and the fatal blood clots, and urged countries to resume vaccinations because “the benefits outweigh the risks.”

Some nations resumed the shots, such as Germany, but now have halted them again due to more deaths resulting from blood clots.
The UK, on the other hand, never suspended the shots, agreeing with the EMA’s assertion that the shots were not related to the fatal blood clots in a statement issued March 18th.

Following this statement, the UK’s “Yellow Card” reporting system for adverse vaccine reactions added 95 new deaths and 82,667 new injuries this past week following injections of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 injections.

Of these 713 recorded deaths following COVID-19 injections, 421 follow AstraZeneca injections, and 283 follow Pfizer injections, while 9 deaths are unspecified.

Of the 495,345 injuries reported following COVID-19 injections, 377,487 are following AstraZeneca injections, 116,627 are following Pfizer injections, and 1231 are unspecified.

The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency report released today states that about 13 million doses of the Pfizer shots have been administered as of March 21, 2021, and about 15.8 million doses of the AstraZeneca shots have been administered.

As of 21 March 2021, for the UK, 40,883 Yellow Cards have been reported for the Pfizer/BioNTech, 99,817 have been reported for the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine, and 379 have been reported where the brand of the vaccine was not specified. (Source.)
Earlier today (April 1, 2021), a group that identifies themselves as “Doctors for Covid Ethics,” which reportedly consists of over 100 doctors and scientists from 25 countries, including Professor Sucharit Bhakdi, Professor Emeritus of Medical Microbiology and Immunology and Former Chair, Institute of Medical Microbiology and Hygiene, issued a Press Release and letter to the European Medicines Agency, criticizing them for not taking action regarding the reported adverse events following COVID injections, specifically the AstraZeneca shots".
 

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Partners father had Pfizer jab few weeks ago, last Sunday in hospital with a clot on the brain, fortunately not done too much damage and is expected to make a full recovery. Questions asked by doc, have you had covid jab and if so which one.
 

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This is worrying !

"The UK Government’s reporting system for COVID vaccine adverse reactions from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency released their latest report today, April 1, 2021.

The report covers data collected from December 9, 2020, through March 21, 2021, for the two experimental COVID vaccines currently in use in the U.K. from Pfizer and AstraZeneca.

They report a total of 713 deaths and 495,345 injuries recorded following the experimental vaccines.

That is an increase of 119 deaths and 90,820 injuries recorded since last week. 95 of the 119 recorded deaths this past week followed AstraZeneca COVID injections.

More than 20 countries had suspended injections of the AstraZeneca experimental COVID shots due to concerns over fatal blood clots, but the European Medicines Agency (EMA) concluded that there was no link between the AstraZeneca experimental COVID shots and the fatal blood clots, and urged countries to resume vaccinations because “the benefits outweigh the risks.”

Some nations resumed the shots, such as Germany, but now have halted them again due to more deaths resulting from blood clots.
The UK, on the other hand, never suspended the shots, agreeing with the EMA’s assertion that the shots were not related to the fatal blood clots in a statement issued March 18th.

Following this statement, the UK’s “Yellow Card” reporting system for adverse vaccine reactions added 95 new deaths and 82,667 new injuries this past week following injections of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 injections.

Of these 713 recorded deaths following COVID-19 injections, 421 follow AstraZeneca injections, and 283 follow Pfizer injections, while 9 deaths are unspecified.

Of the 495,345 injuries reported following COVID-19 injections, 377,487 are following AstraZeneca injections, 116,627 are following Pfizer injections, and 1231 are unspecified.

The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency report released today states that about 13 million doses of the Pfizer shots have been administered as of March 21, 2021, and about 15.8 million doses of the AstraZeneca shots have been administered.


Earlier today (April 1, 2021), a group that identifies themselves as “Doctors for Covid Ethics,” which reportedly consists of over 100 doctors and scientists from 25 countries, including Professor Sucharit Bhakdi, Professor Emeritus of Medical Microbiology and Immunology and Former Chair, Institute of Medical Microbiology and Hygiene, issued a Press Release and letter to the European Medicines Agency, criticizing them for not taking action regarding the reported adverse events following COVID injections, specifically the AstraZeneca shots".
Having read through some of the links, I don't find it worrying. The' Injuries', it seems, are anything anyone has reported via the yellow card scheme. So my wife had a really sore arm, my son and I both felt really tired. We could have reported these as injuries.

Regarding the deaths:

Events with a fatal outcome

Vaccination and surveillance of large populations means that, by chance, some people will experience and report a new illness or events in the days and weeks after vaccination. A high proportion of people vaccinated in the vaccination campaign so far are very elderly, many of whom will also have pre-existing medical conditions. Older age and chronic underlying illnesses make it more likely that coincidental adverse events will occur, especially given the millions of people vaccinated. It is therefore important that we carefully review these reports to distinguish possible side effects from illness that would have occurred irrespective of vaccination.

Part of our continuous analysis includes an evaluation of natural death rates over time, to determine if any specific trends or patterns are occurring that might indicate a vaccine safety concern. Based on age-stratified all-cause mortality in England and Wales taken from the Office for National Statistics death registrations, several thousand deaths are expected to have occurred, naturally, within 7 days of the many millions of doses of vaccines administered so far, mostly in the elderly.

The MHRA has received 283 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 421 reports for the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine and 9 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified. The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness. Usage of the AstraZeneca has increased rapidly and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccine played a role in the death.


As for “Doctors for Covid Ethics” and in particular Professor Sucharit Bhakdi

During the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic, Bhakdi started a You Tube channel proposing that the number of deaths stemming from SARS-CoV-2 infection had been overstated. In November 2020 his account was terminated for violating YouTube's community guidelines.

He has been criticised for his theses on the COVID-19 pandemic; according to Medical Tribune, they are considered unscientific by a majority of experts.

Bhakdi's criticisms of the COVID-19 pandemic response​

His criticisms of states' (most particularly Germany's) reactions to the COVID-19 pandemic have included:

  • Writing an open Letter to German Chancellor Dr. Angela Merkel regarding the "socio-economic consequences of the drastic containment measures which are currently being applied in large parts of Europe"
  • Posting videos on YouTube claiming, for example, that the government was overreacting because the virus posed no more threat than influenza, and that any Covid 19 vaccine would be pointless
  • Participation in the writing of a "position paper of the BMI" by an employee of the German crisis management department. The Federal Ministry distanced itself from the position, calling the paper a "private opinion" circulating on official letterhead, and released the chief government councilor Stephan Kohn from duty.
  • He is the co-author of Corona, False Alarm? Facts and Figures (2020), German: ('Corona Fehlalarm?') An earlier book of his was published in 2016, Schreckgespenst Infektionen – Mythen, Wahn und Wirklichkeit (tr. "Bogeyman Infections - Myths, Delusions and Reality"). He published both books together with his wife, Karina Reiss, a biologist and biochemist at the Quincke Research Centre


This is one piece from one of the links, that he wrote:

'In other words, citizens have the right under the Nuremberg Code and related protections not to be subject involuntarily to medical experiments. It is clear that these experimental agents should be CONTRA-INDICATED in individuals not at elevated risk of serious illness & death if infected by SARS-CoV-2. Furthermore, the use of the experimental agents must also be withheld in the elderly population until a risk-benefit assessment has been properly conducted. In any event, the vaccine label must be revised to reflect the recently emerged serious adverse events addressed here.

We remind the EMA that Nuremberg violations constitute crimes against humanity under the Geneva Convention. Crimes against humanity are deemed “the worst atrocities known to mankind”, and are prosecuted under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.'


At the end of the day people can read through available information and make their own minds up. Having the vaccine is voluntary.
 

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Re vaccine safety in general......like I assume 99% of us on this forum we are not medics....we have to either trust our UK medical experts or Tracy on Facebook.....if I was to suggest that having done some quick Internet research on UK wiring of a house and were to suggest with no qualifications in the field that connecting black wires to pink wires whilst avoiding all circuit breakers whilst holding the fuse box underwater was far better than the information recommended by those idiot electricians who had spent many years studying the subject I suspect those aforementioned electricians on this forum would put me right....we either have to trust experts or go down rabbit holes and conspiracy theories....we live in a country which has huge amounts of intellectual knowledge and is transparent and thorough in its checks and balances....perfect no but do I trust our top medics then yes....
 

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Well, having had a week in hospital with Covid, I’d rather have either vaccine with the tiny risks involved than get Covid again. Look hard enough & anything has a risk, Flu jab, going to the dentist, any form of operation, taking any medication. You name it & there’s a risk. You can’t drive to the bloody supermarket without taking a risk. If it bothers you then don’t have the jab, it’s your choice after all.
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My cousin died of a blood clot on the brain just 24 hours after flying back from holiday, she was under 50, risk in a lot of the things we do, already had my first dose of AZ and even if there was any risk of a blood clot and it is true it will definitely not put me of my 2nd dose, the risk of dying from covid are far higher than the risk of a blood clot.
 

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The concern is over a specific rare type of rare blood clot (cerebral venous sinus thromboses) that mainly affects young women, there appears to be a higher incidence in Germany where they have mainly been using AstraZenaca on younger age groups.

If you are interested Dr John Campbell covered it yesterday starting at about 15 mins in

 

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Watched that clip Alsur, UK 1 in 2.2 million, and Germany 1 in 86,000 with the younger population of women, we are now vaccinating that age group so it should show up in the UK figures over the next few weeks or so.
 

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Playing devil's advocate here but had it been the German or French companies that had the majority share of the vaccine market would the EU still be making as much fuss over it?

Astra Zeneca are selling the vaccine at cost, something like £3 a dose. Pfizer on the other hand are selling at a profit, something like £15 a dose.
The AZ is more popular around the world which it would be bearing in mind the massive number of doses being sold; however Pfizer and others who are profiteering from it are missing out on a massive chunk of the market.
If the AZ vaccine was discredited it would massively benefit the EU and their companies.

Just a thought
 

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just been reading on bbc news that the death toll in Brazil has topped 4000 a day ,surely that cant be right
 

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just been reading on bbc news that the death toll in Brazil has topped 4000 a day ,surely that cant be right
Seen a clip from Brazil the other day and they were burying them day and night in lines in fields.
No families just bodies.
MSM just concentrate on bad news here.
I bet they would be glad to have millions of doses of the Oxford vaccine
 
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