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As Rob said( No venues are fair early post) Few years back a match on our canal could be won with silvers and gobbies,
off most pegs,
NOW" draw a noted Big Chub or Big Perch peg you have a very good chance of framing, other than those noted pegs you just go through the motions,
Its a case of enjoy the day, because you wont win, with roach and gobbies.
 

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12 teams of 4 ? That would have just been 4 sections. It was 12 teams of 12 so 144 pegs and with a waiting list of teams to join. I guess that would have been the same all over the country back then. Problem is if you had 144 peg matches now you would really struggle to fit them in with parking, access, boats etc etc. Thames used to have annual 300 - 400 peg individual matches (Vortex etc) let alone the Thames Champs & Upper Thames Champs team events. Even normal or 'small' ODAA team events were 25 teams of 4 etc
Definitely fallen a lot then. I think they are often 12 of 4, sometimes 8 of 6, basically always around 40-50 anglers just varies as to how they are split up team wise and yes generally just 4 or 5 sections. Still a lot bigger than the club individual matches though they tend to only be 15-20 for the run of the mill every week matches with them only getting up to around maybe 40 for for the "big" cup, shield, plate matches etc that tend to be dotted through the season. As you say about 50 anglers is about the max you can fit with parking and what not these days hence why the 70 plus peg jobs of the festival etc are across multiple sections. As to what wins it's usually roach, sometimes bream and very occasionally chub.

Silverfisher - matches at Clifton Hampden would be 90+ pegs and EVERYONE had to walk from the Barley Mow pub car park !
Yeah sod that! Second field is as far as I go on foot there. Any further I take my boat and it still takes a while to get up to the third field on that 😅 some very nice houses up that way though 😍
 

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Blimey some long old walks required there then! I sometimes go walk medley when there's a match on and it's quite a distance from peg 1 to 48. I generally fish it on the section above the perch or at the furtherest down to the poplars and can't imagine lugging my gear any further to do the full 48 pegs let alone 120! I assume the 120 peg jobs were across multiple stretches to fit them in? Biggest matches I can think of nowadays is the Thames festival at 70 odd pegs but that's over 3 stretches.
There were some long walks on the Thames in them days, our winter league used Medley quite often and used all of Medley and all of channel also used Clifton 120 pegs . The matches were much bigger, the Thames Championship had up to 1000 anglers another big match was Turner 400 both had some very long walks.
 
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There were some long walks on the Thames in them days, our winter league used Medley quite often and used all of Medley and all of channel. The matches were much bigger, the Thames Championship had up to 1000 anglers another big match was Turner 400 was another big match both had some very long walks.
Turner 400 is still a big number match and the Thames championship is usually 24 teams of 6 so still pretty big by modern standards. They are upstream of where I fish which is why I didn't mention them initially 👍🏻
 

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As Rob said( No venues are fair early post) Few years back a match on our canal could be won with silvers and gobbies,
off most pegs,
NOW" draw a noted Big Chub or Big Perch peg you have a very good chance of framing, other than those noted pegs you just go through the motions,
Its a case of enjoy the day, because you wont win, with roach and gobbies.
Just had a great idea, get the canal stocked with carp to even things up, :jump:wonder what John Ellis would make of that :)
 

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Just had a great idea, get the canal stocked with carp to even things up, :jump:wonder what John Ellis would make of that :)
There's quite a big specimen carp scene on the K&A canal and they are in the Oxford and grand union in places as well.
 

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Just had a great idea, get the canal stocked with carp to even things up, :jump:wonder what John Ellis would make of that :)
They did that on the GUC. Around Tring. First time I fished a match there I hooked a fish it climbed up the far bank tins climbed the hill opposite and jumped on the 11.25 to New Street.
Im not going to say how it affected the fishery😉
 

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Our winter leagues were 120 peggers back in the 80's. I remember having to walk the full length a couple of times after drawing peg 2 & 4 on the River Weaver. No trollies in those days but not as much gear either thankfully. Having said that, I was in my 20's so considerably fitter.
 

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The old winter leagues were often 144 or 155 pegs with teams of 12. Nationals and Regionals were also teams of 12 and if I remember rightly the Drennan Superleague may have been teams of 8. Opens in the North East where I lived at the time were often 100 pegs plus with the river champs for rivers like the Yorkshire Ouse, Swale and Tees attracting much higher turn outs. The Nationals were huge events with sections being like an open match.

People may look at those matches with tinted specs. They soon forget it wasn't uncommon for half the field to blank in some winter leagues with section money drawn out of a hat. The last Div 1 national I fished for Shakespeare I only weighed around 3lbs in a tough area on the Trent. I also remember my team winning a National on the Trent, (Greys Imex), weighing in less than 2lbs on a flooded river, (people also forget about those).

Going back to opens and winter leagues, I remember getting a big plug in AT with the header Brittain Bags Up under Bush when I won a 156 peg North east Winter League match on the River Tees at Yarm. I had 8lbs 8oz of small dace and chublets, most caught down the middle and a few down the side just out from a bush, (everybody had bushes), however the back up weights were 8lbs 7 oz, 8lbs 6oz, 8;bs 4oz, 8lbs 3 oz which on paper looks like a close match but fails to mention the 100 odd anglers who struggled for bites on what looked to be a good river in decent conditions.

I dare say I've won more big matches with less than 10lbs than with more than 10lbs however that only paints part of the picture because on a lot of matches you'd frame with 3-6lbs. If you take into account very well attended matches won on the Stainforth Canal with 6lbs, Yorkshire Ouse with 5lbs, Tees with 8lbs and then add the blanks in winter matches fishing wasn't the picture some paint it to be.

Today we are spoiled. In winter on commercials you rarely blank. If you're not on carp you can target silvers and you can catch 10-20lbs and come nowhere. If you're on carp you can have a very easy days fishing on less than a tin of corn.

The comments about waste of time and you can't compete from there are part and parcel of it. When I qualified for Fisho in 2006 and I went to draw 2nd from last there were only 2 pegs left 10 and 11, the two pegs nobody wanted to draw. They were that bad nobody even practiced on them. I spent the night commiserating with my old mate Matt Hall.

Going back to modern day commercials, carp and silvers I've seen some posts inferring you need specialist kit, however that's a total fallacy, look at most match anglers kit and you'll soon see they have standard match poles, standard pellet waggler rods and standard feeder rods with a parabolic action. Des Shipp even managed to win the Park Dean £25K using a £50 Preston Tyson and I've lost count of the matches I won with a £60, 11ft Shakespeare Mach 3 Micro Pellet Waggler rod on big weight venues Stafford Moore and Viaduct.

To be honest we've never had it so good, big carp, little carp, F1's and silvers which have thrived on carp venues due to mopping up the fishmeal baits thrown in. Good value rods and reels not to mention margin poles and 300 yds of line for £6, what's not to like? On many venues you don't even need to fish long because on many big weight venues you can catch at 4m or down the side. With a balanced set up it's relatively easy to subdue big fish, you just have to apply a little patience and common sense.

I can't see why people are complaining we've never had it so good not to mention there are also plenty of rivers and canals if you want to purely fish for silvers.
 
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Some good points there. It does seem the bigger the match the lower average weights as there’s obviously more anglers for the fish to go around and more anglers on less fishy pegs. I guess tbf more on fliers as well but probably tends to be more duds than fliers most places. The 40-50 peg team jobs here do tend to get better weights than the 15-20 peg individual matches but I think that’s just down to the extra anglers involved being cancelled out by better anglers fishing them. The little club matches do often average higher weights than the really big matches though despite the better anglers probably because there is a hell of lot less anglers for the fish to go around.

Kind of a similar theme in pleasure anglers as whilst we don’t often catch numbers of fish that would win matches we do tend to average numbers that would be not far off the top probably because we have less other anglers on the banks to compete for the fish with. I’m pretty sure my pleasure catches would half if I fished matches just from the increased competition for the fish.
 

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You're bang on there Dave. I had a harsh reminder of how tough the winter leagues were, the other week on our canal match. I won my section with 4oz!!
I never managed to blank in a winter league match but there were many matches when I caught less than a pound & was glad to hear the all out.
 

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Turner 400 is still a big number match and the Thames championship is usually 24 teams of 6 so still pretty big by modern standards. They are upstream of where I fish which is why I didn't mention them initially 👍🏻
Much bigger back in the day, used to get 60 out for Monday evening opens at Molesey.
 

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Basically what it amounts to , is a certain few on here, say they don’t like fishing for carp, only want to fish for silvers, and blame carp for them packing in matchfishing, and ruining fisheries, they always do it on every thread , 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
I’ve no idea why you’d have to give it up, there is a thriving silver match scene in the winter, I would have been fishing plenty of silvers matches at the moment if matches were allowed. I just don’t see the issue. Many commercials have loads of silvers in.
 

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As my name suggests I love carp, match carp, big fat wobbly carp, medium sized carp,, 😍
Find nothing better than a float shooting under an been attached to mr carp that wants to destroy your rig or tip whacking round nearly taking the rod for a swim,, 1 minute it could be a 1lbs stocky next a 15lb munter, it's what I like to fish for,, can sit all day in a winter waiting for 3/4 pulls in a match, but they could be match winning fish, that's my choice,, you make your choice which way you want to fish in a match, if 3/4 carp beat that net of roach/skimmers than fair game isnt it not???
 

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I’ve no idea why you’d have to give it up, there is a thriving silver match scene in the winter, I would have been fishing plenty of silvers matches at the moment if matches were allowed. I just don’t see the issue. Many commercials have loads of silvers in.
your right there

you can go on the match lakes at monks, which is primarily a big weight 6 nets type carp fishery and target the Ide and bream that are in there and have a very good day, wont win you nowt, but you can easy do a very busy netfull
 

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your right there

you can go on the match lakes at monks, which is primarily a big weight 6 nets type carp fishery and target the Ide and bream that are in there and have a very good day, wont win you nowt, but you can easy do a very busy netfull
Would be pointless to me , might as well go pleasure fishing to do that, waste of money matchfishing, if you’re not going to try to win 🤷‍♂️
 

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your right there

you can go on the match lakes at monks, which is primarily a big weight 6 nets type carp fishery and target the Ide and bream that are in there and have a very good day, wont win you nowt, but you can easy do a very busy netfull
It would win you something if silvers matches were organised, Viaduct is absolutely full of big carp, you can go and catch 20lb of silvers in the winter and not see a carp all day.
 

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I’ve no idea why you’d have to give it up, there is a thriving silver match scene in the winter, I would have been fishing plenty of silvers matches at the moment if matches were allowed. I just don’t see the issue. Many commercials have loads of silvers in.
I'm guessing in some cases it's maybe because they can't fish rivers for geographical or health reasons and would like to be able to compete in matches with silvers year round on lakes? As @chefster says would be a bit pointless them fishing them if they had no hope of winning. Would agree though if they have got a decent river, canal, natural lake nearby that they can access then there would be no reason for them to give up match fishing just because commercials have got a bit carpy.
 

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As my name suggests I love carp, match carp, big fat wobbly carp, medium sized carp,, 😍
Find nothing better than a float shooting under an been attached to mr carp that wants to destroy your rig or tip whacking round nearly taking the rod for a swim,, 1 minute it could be a 1lbs stocky next a 15lb munter, it's what I like to fish for,, can sit all day in a winter waiting for 3/4 pulls in a match, but they could be match winning fish, that's my choice,, you make your choice which way you want to fish in a match, if 3/4 carp beat that net of roach/skimmers than fair game isnt it not???
We just don’t get the issue down here, nearly all matches have a silvers payout and as already said, in winter we have plenty of silvers matches.
 
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