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Hehe. You know. I am a dinosaur I guess. I gave up matchfishing for several reasons. The weights were a big factor. I’ve never understood the need for them. They just make matches unfair. Hear a lot on here about anglers not even going to their pegs nowadays. It was always worth sitting on your peg in lower weight matches. Now we hear about venues where 8-10 bites will give you a hundred pounds, poor fishing in my opinion. Yet this lake will be far more popular than a lake with silvers in where you’ll get plenty of bites but a much lower weight. Crazy🤷‍♂️
I’d rather fish for decent sized fish , carp, etc than a load of silly little blade roach all day
 

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I’d rather fish for decent sized fish , carp, etc than a load of silly little blade roach all day
Does it really matter in a match? I agree for pleasure angling but matches? My priority for a match venue was how fair it was. Big Carp do not make a fair venue.
Plenty of fish apart from Carp will pull back on balanced tackle.
 

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Does it really matter in a match? I agree for pleasure angling but matches? My priority for a match venue was how fair it was. Big Carp do not make a fair venue.
Plenty of fish apart from Carp will pull back on balanced tackle.
Why is it not fair if someone lands a bonus carp,and beats a net of silvers, same for everyone 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️Plus a pool/lake etc is created for match and pleasure anglers, so it stands to reason both will be stocked, to a certain size, unless you’re going to keep a venue purely for matchfishing and it’s booked up every day , it would be a waste of time
 
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I’d rather fish for decent sized fish , carp, etc than a load of silly little blade roach all day
I'd agree on blade roach, blade Rudd and wasp perch are even worse because of how they feed! I'd take them all over bleak though as at least the rest will grow into something worth catching 😂

The knack is finding the better stamp ones. Then you just have to match the tackle to them to get the sport side of it, kind of like the single mackerel on a spinner over a handful on feathers example I saw some one give on here the other day.
 

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Does it really matter in a match? I agree for pleasure angling but matches? My priority for a match venue was how fair it was. Big Carp do not make a fair venue.
Plenty of fish apart from Carp will pull back on balanced tackle.
No venue is fair!
 

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No venue is fair!
Of course not. But some venues are much fairer than others.
Im not talking about single big Carp venues either. I’m talking about venues where people won’t fish for silvers in the first place because people know they are going to need Carp. Fisho final venue is a perfect example.
 

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Of course not. But some venues are much fairer than others.
Im not talking about single big Carp venues either. I’m talking about venues where people won’t fish for silvers in the first place because people know they are going to need Carp. Fisho final venue is a perfect example.
I don’t see how it’s not fair because people fish for carp to win🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️Isn’t that the name of the game ,
 

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I don’t see how it’s not fair because people fish for carp to win🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️Isn’t that the name of the game ,
Because not everyone has Carp. Make the weights lower to make more people competitive. Was‘nt there anglers sitting biteless in the fisho final because they didn’t have Carp in front of them? Wouldn’t it have been nice for them to have another option?
 

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Because not everyone has Carp. Make the weights lower to make more people competitive. Was‘nt there anglers sitting biteless in the fisho final because they didn’t have Carp in front of them? Wouldn’t it have been nice for them to have another option?
But even if it was purely a bream/skimmers,roach etc the fish will still shoal up in certain areas, and create flyer pegs, 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️You could still sit there with no chance
 

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Point seems to be missed again.
It's not all about matches and anglers want to catch fish that have a bit of fight in them.
Carp are dominant for a reason.
Ask any Bream or Tench angler what they prefer and it won't be 1 or 2lb fish over fish of a larger size.
Any Commie that builds it's long term business model on Silvers won't be lasting very long in today's angling preference.
 

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Silvers only lakes aren’t commercially viable. Carp are very hardy, they withstand being caught multiple times, they live a long time, they grow quickly. Carp are fairly easy to breed in stock ponds etc.

Silvers suffer from being caught regularly, they don’t live so long, some species like tench are very slow growing.
Bream are paticularly susceptable to being caught too much

on a local commie, which was primarily a semi speci carp venue, it was discovered by match anglers to hold a very good head of decent bream,

they started holding silvers matches on it in the late autumn and over the winter, which threw up good weights at the start, but tailed off after a year or so and it seemed the bream went nocturnal,

carp anglers still caught them after dark, but the daytime weights were poor
 

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But even if it was purely a bream/skimmers,roach etc the fish will still shoal up in certain areas, and create flyer pegs, 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️You could still sit there with no chance
Of course. But ”up top” with half hour to go your still in with a shout in a lower weight match. You’re still competing if you can make something happen, and often you can. All venues have fliers,good areas but some offer hope you can still do something in a short amount of time.
Eighty pound behind with a with an hour to go, may aswell put your gear away,in most cases😉.
 

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Of course. But ”up top” with half hour to go your still in with a shout in a lower weight match. You’re still competing if you can make something happen, and often you can. All venues have fliers,good areas but some offer hope you can still do something in a short amount of time.
Eighty pound behind with a with an hour to go, may aswell put your gear away,in most cases😉.
🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️It is the way it is, and I doubt it’s going to change, we just have to fish the venues/matches that we are happy with 👍
 

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I only fish silverfish matches, I can catch carp (I’ve had several 200lb+ weights) but I simply don’t enjoy fishing carp matches. I live an hour from both Stafford Moor and Viaduct, I’d rather try to win the silvers pools and have a good days fishing. I hated fishing for carp at Viaduct especially on Cary as they are far too big
 

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Im not convinced. Carp are cheap to buy and suffer poor water quality better than other species.


That's exactly what Maesknoll and myself have said. Cheap to buy, and hardier than most other species. Why would a fishery owner not want to stock them in preference to less hardy species?
 

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That's exactly what Maesknoll and myself have said. Cheap to buy, and hardier than most other species. Why would a fishery owner not want to stock them in preference to less hardy species?
They can stock them because their water quality is poor? Or they know it will be.
 
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So why are some commercial owners having pools stocked with silvers... as there seems to be a growing demand for silvers matches... could it be that the water quality is easier to maintain with silvers as well... and there isnt the issue of getting rid of carp that have outgrown your waters
 

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So why are some commercial owners having pools stocked with silvers... as there seems to be a growing demand for silvers matches... could it be that the water quality is easier to maintain with silvers as well... and there isnt the issue of getting rid of carp that have outgrown your waters
I think that demand for silverfish only venues bubble has burst! I think it’s turning back around to carp/F1,s again
 

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So why are some commercial owners having pools stocked with silvers... as there seems to be a growing demand for silvers matches... could it be that the water quality is easier to maintain with silvers as well... and there isnt the issue of getting rid of carp that have outgrown your waters
When,where?😂😂
I know a few have moved onto the speci/syndicate route. Must be more lucrative than matches. Although they do still accommodate them.
 

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Lots of non-carp anglers and specialists talk the talk but don't walk the walk when it comes to "silvers". If a silvers only pond/lake exists on a match type commie, you can pretty much guarantee that it'll be the easiest pond to get a peg on. I've known of more traditional day ticket waters that have been so poorly attended and sometimes abused, that the owners have either stocked carp or angling has ceased. I'm a member of a (very deliberately) mixed fishery syndicate (it was pretty much a clean slate to start). Despite having some big pike, tench and bream (and perch in the past), for the area, with unrealised potential for big roach and rudd too, many coarse anglers baulk at the cost in a way that carpers and pikers simply don't. The result is that carpers and, to a lesser extent, pikers join. The carpers tend not to be too happy when fish other than carp are stocked. If it were all about the money, there's little doubt it would end up carp only. With anyone other than the bloke running it, or a couple of other long term members with the same angling philosophy, it would be carp only now.

It's a similar story on the local rivers. People tend to want barbel and big chub. If they aren't present, the numbers fishing are likely to be relatively low. The exceptions are likely to be relatively easy access venues ideally suited to matches. The river match scene somehow managed to keep a core of die hards that didn't jump ship with the rise of commercials. The snag being that their average age is increasing year on year and their numbers slowly dwindling.
 
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