Bread Flake / Middle Severn

Zerkalo

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I've watched the last couple of Dave Roberts videos on the Wye fishing flake for Chub. Really wet my appetite to get back on the Severn. I think the rivers are slightly different, but there are a few Chubby pegs near me I'm itching to fish bread on.

The plan is a Loafer float and a nice big bit of flake, could pick up some nice Roach too. Now, punch is an option too, and I could try a stick float with punch as I've seen good catches reported on here using that, but I think flake is definitely going to play a part. Big bait for big fish, even though you can get nice Chub on punch, there's something nice about flake fishing. Googling though, I don't see many reports of people using flake on the Severn. Has anyone ever tried it?
 

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You're doing it again aren't you, over analysing things. ;)

No question that bread will work as a bait on any venue if you give it a try.
Google is as much your enemy as your friend and certainly not the be all and end all. For every report from an angler that you'll find on the internet there will be a hundred anglers fishing that won't post anything about their angling on the internet and have no interest in forums and the like.
For some it will be purely because they may want to keep their successful tactics and baits to themselves.
Even those reports that you do see may not contain the whole truth as the authors may well want to retain an edge.

In other words, if you fancy giving it a go then do it, you may be pleasantly surprised at the results. Of course you may also be disappointed but unless you give it a go yourself you'll never know for sure.
 

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I don't fish it because it falls of the hook too easily in a fast flow, yes there's ways round this but a punch is more beneficial to me.
If you're after bigger chub, try some cheese or cheese paste aswell.
 

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I'm really looking forward to trying it. I'll try punch as well, as well as the usual small bait approach. Reckon you could get a few nice chub out of some pegs this way. I make a mental note when Barbel fishing of pegs that throw up a lot of Chub, and although the river could change, I know where I want to try it. I feel I could get a lot of enjoyment out of a loafer float on the Severn as can boss the river with them. Cheese I could try... I'm going to fish it with Bread on the inside and Meat down the middle.

I might start trying to make some little amateur videos this summer, but will be reporting how I get on here anyway. I think it could be good at the start of the season when it's busy with Barbel rods.
 

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No idea about whether it’ll work there but I’d echo @carphauler in that punch is easier, just go with a big punch if you want a target bait, can get them over a CM.

That Dave Roberts video in the middle of Hereford is great by the way. Pretty unique winter fishery that, reckon only the hants Avon and the eastern parts of the nene can rival it for winter fishing.
 

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The Wye is a unique and very specialised venue. On most other rivers, I wouldn't add groundbait to the mix. Feed would be a torn up loaf and I'd add water gradually until I could form a ball that I can squeeze that gets down quick. Floats would be considerably lighter with a 4-6gm bolo or a 5AA balsa more than adequate for most rivers.

Chub at this time of year tend to love run off glides and gulleys. In run off glides they generally like to sit one or two pegs above in the slightly deeper water dropping down to the shallower water as the temps rise or the light goes.

My advice would be to start well above the glide, searching mid river to the far side working you way across. If you don't catch within 1/2 hr, don't do what Dave did, move slightly downstream and start searching and keep on doing that until either you find the fish or head of the pool.

Bread is pretty much an instant bait. Also get into the habit of striking it off at the end of a run.

If you are looking for chub, forget bread punch, cheese paste as a big piece of flake will out fish them every time.

Also particularly on shallower 3-6ft swims don't rule out the liquidised bread feeder with a 2.5ft - 3ft hook length and big lump of flake on a size 8. It can be devastating and is a superb way of searching when travelling light. If you don't catch within 20-30 minutes move to another peg.


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Cheers for the tips. I have a peg in mind. I understand the Wye is a fairly deep river where Dave Roberts was fishing compared to many parts of the Severn.

Where I intend to fish, the stretch is very undulating with shallows and deeps from peg to peg. One peg I have in mind is a decent Barbel peg in summer too but you get a lot of Chub hanging around on the inside. It's about 7 foot deep at normal levels so somewhere in between the deepest and shallowest swims.

I find it interesting that you recommend bread mash and no groundbait in the mix. I had planned to mix some liquidised or mashed bread with groundbait as it's quite a fast flow and 7 foot deep. I have a feeling bread mash would just get washed away too quick and wouldn't make it to the bottom?

The Middle Severn gets busy when I intend to fish it, over Summer, so moving about isn't really an option.

As for the floats I think I'd be looking at around a 5 1/2 AA 4.4g Loafer.
 

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Bit of evidence that punch works in some places. Been torn on whether this spot is local enough to try at the minute, it's about half as far as my usual Thames spots but a couple miles further than the closest places I can fish. It's back in the fields atm mind you!

 

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Nice one, already seen it though, am a subscriber. I will definitely try Punch sometime too, when there's smaller fish about it could provide a few bites when flake might fail. But I know it can pick up decent Chub too. Have tried it a few times on the small river near me.
 

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You can stiffen mashed bread with any binder like white bread crumb but you can also use a bit of gravel to get it down quickly.
Drennan used to do a handy flake punch which flattened one end of a pear shaped bait ready to hook but you could do the same with your fingers easy enough.
 

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Yeah white crumb with mash or liquidised was my plan! But I'm open to experimentation to see if I need it or not.
 

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I've got masses of bread ready to liquidise or mash but the flipping rivers keep flooding and doing little bits for the canal doesn't use up much 😅
 

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Can't be bothered to fish the canal near me myself. Bet it's clear from lack of boat traffic so I'm just dreaming of sessions at the start of next season already.
 

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Get your mum to make bread pudding with it 👍👍
Haha could do!

Can't be bothered to fish the canal near me myself. Bet it's clear from lack of boat traffic so I'm just dreaming of sessions at the start of next season already.
I've not been terribly enthused about it either but feeling a little more optimistic now that people are starting to catch from it again. But yeah roll on the new season. That said I don't mind the second half of the closed season when most species have stopped spawning, the water's properly warmed and the weathers consistently good so the fishing is almost always good but the first half can be a bit of a lottery with the spawning and weather so I never really know what the best bets for decent fishing will be.
 

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The reason why Dave is probably using groundbait is simply due to the range he is fishing it at and the fact he has to catapult it. Unless you've fished the Wye you can't see how far he's running the float down stream. Don't worry about the bread getting to the bottom, providing you've mixed it right it will. The reason why it's so effective is how far particles travel down stream pulling fish up the peg.

Watch some of the old John Wilson videos on bread fishing and like Peter says don't over analyse it, keep it simple.

Also bear in mind bread is at it's best in cold clear water where fish can home in on it as it falls through the water. Personally I would never add anything to it, it simply doesn't need it and can spoil what is a perfect instant bait
 

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I'm really looking forward to trying it. I'll try punch as well, as well as the usual small bait approach. Reckon you could get a few nice chub out of some pegs this way. I make a mental note when Barbel fishing of pegs that throw up a lot of Chub, and although the river could change, I know where I want to try it. I feel I could get a lot of enjoyment out of a loafer float on the Severn as can boss the river with them. Cheese I could try... I'm going to fish it with Bread on the inside and Meat down the middle.

I might start trying to make some little amateur videos this summer, but will be reporting how I get on here anyway. I think it could be good at the start of the season when it's busy with Barbel rods.
Cheese , bread, meat ??
Take a small cooker with you in case you blank,
You could do cheese on toast, and hot meat butties. 🙄
 

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Water clarity would be the biggest factor for me. Clear then Bread, coloured then cheese paste, if less clarity than 18 inches or so, then feeder anyway.
 

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I've watched the last couple of Dave Roberts videos on the Wye fishing flake for Chub. Really wet my appetite to get back on the Severn. I think the rivers are slightly different, but there are a few Chubby pegs near me I'm itching to fish bread on.

The plan is a Loafer float and a nice big bit of flake, could pick up some nice Roach too. Now, punch is an option too, and I could try a stick float with punch as I've seen good catches reported on here using that, but I think flake is definitely going to play a part. Big bait for big fish, even though you can get nice Chub on punch, there's something nice about flake fishing. Googling though, I don't see many reports of people using flake on the Severn. Has anyone ever tried it?
I remember Matt Hayes chub fishing with floating crust ,he had some lovely chub ,thats going back a while .
 
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