Braid Hooklengths

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What are the advantages of using braid hooklengths when carp fishing?
 

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None, they rip the carps mouth and face to pieces !!
I have heard that. So why do all the carp boys make there hooklemgths with braid? There are hundreds of vids on youtube tying various rigs and all use braid.
 

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Coated braids are more forgiving. Plenty use 15-20lb coated braids for Barbel fishing.
 

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I have heard that. So why do all the carp boys make there hooklemgths with braid? There are hundreds of vids on youtube tying various rigs and all use braid.
As above it’s cheesewire, a lot of waters ban braided Hooklength...the idea of it is, it’s a lot more supple for presentation
 

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So are you saying all the well known names in carp fishing don't give a stuff about fish welfare?
 

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So are you saying all the well known names in carp fishing don't give a stuff about fish welfare?
I just know the damage I’ve seen done to carp, where it’s been used, ripped mouths and big scars across the face etc
 

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Used to use them when fishing for eels in matches. Never used them for anything else.
 

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The first time I fished a big carp water, after a break of a few years, I got suckered in by the alure of braided hooklinks. I only ever used the stiff coated fox edge braid in 25lb bs with a 30lb mono main line. After losing four big fish in less than an hour, fish big enough to bend a 3lb tc carp rod in half, all of which snapped my hooklink in half as soon as I felt the fish, I tied my next hair rig using 30lb mono left over from filling my carp reels. That did the trick, and 20 minutes later I landed my PB at 36lb 9oz. Apart from braid for fresh and salt water lure fishing and spinning I have never used braid since. I never had a problem using (I forget the brand) 60lb hi viz braid on my spod and marker rods, but I'll never use it again for hooklinks. I came home after that day and went though all my tackle boxes removing all spools of braid previously used for hooklinks for both carp and feeder fishing, all handed to a mate who was very greatful and to be replaced with appropriate bs fluorocarbon, something which I had switched to for float fishing a few years previous. Happy to say I have never looked back since that day. I just wish I knew then what I know now. Those four fish I lost certainly felt a lot bigger than the one I eventually landed which is a real shame, but I guess I'll never know.
 

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Talking as a specialist rather than a match angler, it is interesting to note that many big carp fisheries ban the use of braided mainline. They don’t tend to ban braided hooklinks.

I have caught plenty of carp, tench and other species on braided hooklinks and can’t recall ever thinking that I had damaged the fish’s mouth with the braid. If I had noticed any damage, I would have changed my hooklink immediately.

I have seen damage that I have caused by using the wrong hook (hook moving in the fish’s mouth) - and I’ve then changed my hook pattern.
 

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The fisheries round here have banned braid both as hook length and mainline.
 

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Just to clarify. I certainly would use one myself for the reasons Chefster has mentioned. Just wondered why the carp boys swear by them. Is it purely because it offers a better presentation and acts more naturally then?
 

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sorry that should have read 'wouldn't use one' :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

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If serious carp anglers and fishery owners with really big, valuable fish in them thought that braided hooklinks did damage their fish; then the water owners would ban their use immediately and any responsible angler wouldn’t use them Anyway.

I run a fishery that has produced carp to 37lb and braided hooklinks are not banned. My fish have Undamaged mouths. If I started seeing mouth damage then I would react accordingly.

I also have tickets for 2 of the best syndicates in the Cotswold water park. One produced its first 50lb fish last weekend and the other is allegedly the best big Commons lake in the entire country. Neither has a ban on braided hooklinks and mouth damage isn’t an issue on either water.

One suggestion might be that it is the angler(s) causing the problem, not the product ?

it’s a bit like the lead core situation - I know how to use it safely, but many anglers don’t. So the sensible management option is to ban it.
 

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Utter rubbish. Most carp anglers use it, and they are the ones who actually look after each carp they land, not just unhook them and place them back.
Why has it been banned on so many waters then ??? I don’t doubt that some carp anglers respect their catch , but I’ve seen them with fish out of the water for ages, while their mates all have to come and have a look , then they’ve got all the photos to do , etc
 

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Why has it been banned on so many waters then ??? I don’t doubt that some carp anglers respect their catch , but I’ve seen them with fish out of the water for ages, while their mates all have to come and have a look , then they’ve got all the photos to do , etc
The same waters which ban boilies you mean, and hold many matches? Yes, it’s because match anglers blame carp anglers for anything they can, and say things like you have in this thread. On the same waters is where you get the type of people you refer to, showing poor fish handling, as they are normally quite new to it. On the last 4 carp syndicates I have been a member of no fish have had mouth damage, yet 99% will be caught using braided hook lengths
 
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