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This is the new Rive ST8 which the Guru ST8 is based on...

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The ST8 was one of the first frames of this type and shortly after the HSP platform was introduced with four legs on the platform and two on the box, for stability.
Then came the box section framed ST18 followed by the RS1, RS2 and then the open legged ST18's
Now it's going round circle on the round tubular frames again but with the added bonus of the HSP platform, better seat, and magnetic bottom tray for stack systems. Notice the lack of 'open leg' system on the one above
How much are the trays to get the right height ,will octbox d25 side tray fit ,can you get inserts lol and all other fittings preston ,matrix ,asking for a friend ,
 

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How much are the trays to get the right height ,will octbox d25 side tray fit ,can you get inserts lol and all other fittings preston ,matrix ,asking for a friend ,
Do all legs adjust ,anybody got the st8 2
 

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4 are extending legs,if that is what you mean by adjust.
 

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4 are extending legs,if that is what you mean by adjust.
So you cant adjust back legs ,how does that work ,,thank you
 

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So you cant adjust back legs ,how does that work ,,thank you
It looks like you can adjust /raise/ lower back legs , but they’re not double extenders 🤷‍♂️......personally I think that is a lot of money for such a basic box
 

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I have the orange Guru/rive st8 mk1,you can interchange each leg to any of the 6 positions on the box,but only 4 are extenders,it makes no sense to me either,i only bought the box because it was unused and at a bargain price.
I had to buy extra trays to get the seat height right for me,i suspect it was pared down to the minimum to make the price initially more affordable.
Having said that,it is well built and sturdy,and this iteration has the closed leg system which i prefer.
One man's meat is another man's poison,and people must decide for themselves if they want one.
 

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I have the orange Guru/rive st8 mk1,you can interchange each leg to any of the 6 positions on the box,but only 4 are extenders,it makes no sense to me either,i only bought the box because it was unused and at a bargain price.
I had to buy extra trays to get the seat height right for me,i suspect it was pared down to the minimum to make the price initially more affordable.
Having said that,it is well built and sturdy,and this iteration has the closed leg system which i prefer.
One man's meat is another man's poison,and people must decide for themselves if they want one.
Thank you
 

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They are in effect the base model then up to the individual to build as required.

Compared to a full-blown Rive box they are cheaper but then when you start to add to the outlay ramps up considerably.
The advantage with the ST8 and ST18 is there are a lot of spare parts including trays available, both new and secondhand.

The Rive ST8 v2 (as above) is around the same price as the Guru/Rive box,
 
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They are in effect the base model then up to the individual to build as required.

Compared to a full-blown Rive box they are cheaper but then when you start to add to the outlay ramps up considerably.
The advantage with the ST8 and ST18 is there are a lot of spare parts including trays available, both new and secondhand.

The Rive ST8 v2 (as above) is around the same price as the Guru/Rive box,
So really the rive rs1 or rs2 is the better model ,,, thanks again Dave ,much appreciated 👍
 

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Another point to consider here when looking at the ST is the frame height.

I’m not sure if the newer RS version is the same frame height as the old RX, but the ST and RX were different frame heights which goes back to the other recent thread about measurements between footplate and seat height.

My first Rive was an RX and to be honest I struggled with it because for me to fish the long pole with any degree of comfort with the tray / draw configuration that I wanted meant that I had to raise my heels off the footplate, putting all the weight on the ball of my feet to get a 90 degree angle in my legs.

I then later bought an ST and by using the exact same draw configuration as i did with the RX gave me the perfect 90 degree angle and fishing the long pole was once again comfortable.

Obviously these observations are based on the old ST and RX frames, so the newer boxes might be completely different.

Just to be a tackle tart, I’ve gone old school with a Brilo now with a fully adjustable footplate and not a fleck of orange on it anywhere! :ROFLMAO:
 

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So really the rive rs1 or rs2 is the better model ,,, thanks again Dave ,much appreciated 👍
Does the open leg system still have problems ... ooòooo my head is spinning now lol, what is the best model rive do
 

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Another point to consider here when looking at the ST is the frame height.

I’m not sure if the newer RS version is the same frame height as the old RX, but the ST and RX were different frame heights which goes back to the other recent thread about measurements between footplate and seat height.

My first Rive was an RX and to be honest I struggled with it because for me to fish the long pole with any degree of comfort with the tray / draw configuration that I wanted meant that I had to raise my heels off the footplate, putting all the weight on the ball of my feet to get a 90 degree angle in my legs.

I then later bought an ST and by using the exact same draw configuration as i did with the RX gave me the perfect 90 degree angle and fishing the long pole was once again comfortable.

Obviously these observations are based on the old ST and RX frames, so the newer boxes might be completely different.

Just to be a tackle tart, I’ve gone old school with a Brilo now with a fully adjustable footplate and not a fleck of orange on it anywhere! :ROFLMAO:
Thank you
 

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The issue with the open leg clamps seems to come from overtightening the clamps, or knocking them whilst loading/unloading as it breaks the hinge side
 

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The issue with the open leg clamps seems to come from overtightening the clamps, or knocking them whilst loading/unloading as it breaks the hinge side
Ive found the rive st8 in black for 629 with wheel kit ,

Rive ST8 2.0 Seatbox Black/black 118007​

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Rive ST8 2.0 Seatbox 118007

Aluminium frame
“DREAM” cushion with fixed pole heel
Side drawer 30 + Tray 30
Removable magnetic toolcase ( tray 30)
4 telescopic legs 420 / 720 mm
2 Set legs 420 mm
Platform, trays and legs anodised black
HSP platform with two quarter-turn locks
allowing 4 positions for the platform
Footplate protection
Rive shoulder strap
1 point Alu Side tray L
Foam pole support balling arms
7 slot Deluxe pole support
Trolley kit with puncture proof wheels
SKUSKU19821
Weight30.00 lbs
Our price:£629.00
 

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The issue with the open leg clamps seems to come from overtightening the clamps, or knocking them whilst loading/unloading as it breaks the hinge side
I think a lot of the problems with the open leg system is down to lack of maintenance.ie a number of moving components not being cleaned or lubricated causing failure. I'm pretty sure that Matt Godfrey (Guru) mentioned that he was going to film a short video with Hatim Tall (Rive) on maintaining the Open Leg System in good order in the very near future.
 

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I think a lot of the problems with the open leg system is down to lack of maintenance.ie a number of moving components not being cleaned or lubricated causing failure. I'm pretty sure that Matt Godfrey (Guru) mentioned that he was going to film a short video with Hatim Tall (Rive) on maintaining the Open Leg System in good order in the very near future.
Cheers Peter
 

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That's the advert I saw earlier as well - it's a good price with the tray and wheel kit included, if you need a tray and wheel kit that is :)


1 point Alu Side tray L
Foam pole support balling arms
7 slot Deluxe pole support
Trolley kit with puncture proof wheels..... are all extras added to the box within the advert
 

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That’s looks fine, but I would think you will have to add a tray or 2 to get the height correct. Depending how long you are. There’s no Orange on it, which might upset some people😉
 
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