aha, Ive had better luck then, tried the new XLS tubes in my old preston blue hardcase earlier and they just squeezed in
been sorting out older poles most the afternoon, decided just to keep a tourney pro and a couple of 510's for carping and spares, and try and get rid of the rest,
my whips fit into 4 tubes, all tourney pros, 2 complete (one at 8, one at 10, 6 topkits, 3 spare 4's 2 spare 5's and a spare 6, enables me to set up 6 whips between just a top kit out to 10mtrs, though i find using them over 8 mtrs tiring on the wrist
these fit into just a short quiver type carryall